"Westphalians in Prussian army in 1815" Topic
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Osage2017 | 09 Dec 2017 1:45 p.m. PST |
How many Prussian infantry regiments were formed by the Westphalians in 1815 ? I know some Prussian regs had the name Westphalian and Rhineland, see examples below, but I don't know if they were Westphalians. (18.) 1st Westphalian Infantry Regiment (19.) 2nd Westphalian Infantry Regiment (22.) 1st Rhineland Infantry Regiment (23.) 2nd Rhineland Infantry Regiment |
wrgmr1 | 09 Dec 2017 3:50 p.m. PST |
According to the Mont St. Jean website there were 5 Regiments of Landwehr Westphalians. link The 18th, 22nd and 23rd were originally reserve units in 1813-1814 and became line units in 1815. These were all from Silesia. There is no district designated for the 21st. link Napoleonistyka has them as you stated. link Dr. Oliver Schmidt has contributed to this website so I would go with that. |
Osage2017 | 09 Dec 2017 4:53 p.m. PST |
Thank you wrgmr1. Ypu wrote: "There is no district designated for the 21st." It puzzles me. So how did they recruit new men ? What about their depot ? |
Brechtel198 | 09 Dec 2017 4:59 p.m. PST |
The question in the OP should be how many Prussian regiments were formed from Westphalians by the Prussians. There is a difference. |
Prince of Essling | 09 Dec 2017 5:25 p.m. PST |
Nr21 Infantrie Regiment – former 9th Reserve Infanterie Regiment – became 4th Pommersches in 1816 "A common misconception, found in many English publications on the Prussian army, that the other regiments were given provincial designations, too, when they were renamed or newly formed in 1815. In fact, these new regiments did not receive any provincial designation until the AKO of 5th November 1816. For example the 13. Infanterie-Regiment was not named the 13. Infanterie-Regiment (1. Westphälisches) until that day. With the same AKO, also the first twelve regiments included their numbers into their names, e.g. the 1. Pommersches Infanterie-Regiment was named 2. Infanterie-Regiment (1. Pommersches) from that date onwards. The reason why the infantry regiments 13 to 32 did not yet receive a provincial denomination in 1815 was that the final denomination of the regiments (and especially their repartition in garrsions in the provinces of the Prussian monarchy) had not yet been decided." See extract at link Nr13 Infantrie Regiment – former 1st Reserve Infantrie Regt (RIR) – 1st Westfälisches in 1816 Nr14 Infantrie Regiment – former 2nd RIR – 3rd Pommersches in 1816 Nr15 Infantrie Regiment – former 3rd RIR – 2nd Westfälisches in 1816 Nr16 Infantrie Regiment – former 4th RIR – 3rd Westfälisches in 1816 Nr17 Infantrie Regiment – former 5th RIR – 4th Westfälisches in 1816 Nr18 Infantrie Regiment – former 6th RIR – 1st Posen in 1816 Nr19 Infantrie Regiment – former 7th RIR – 2nd Posen in 1816 Nr20 Infanterie Regiment – former 8th RIR – 3rd Brandenburgisches in 1816 Nr21 Infantrie Regiment – former 9th RIR – 4th Pommersches in 1816 Nr22 Infantrie Regiment – former 10th RIR – 1st Oberschlesisches in 1816 Nr23 Infantrie Regiment – former 11th RIR – 2nd Oberschlesisches in 1816 Nr24 Infanterie Regiment – former 12th RIR – 4th Brandenburgisches in 1816 Nr25 Infantrie Regiment – former Lϋtzow Freicorps – 1st Rheinisches in 1816 Nr26 Infanterie Regiment – former Elbe Infantrie Regiment – 1st Magdeburgisches in 1816 Nr27 Infanterie Regiment – from mix of former units – 2nd Magdeburgisches in 1816 Nr28 Infantrie Regiment – formerly 1st Berg Infantrie Regiment – 2nd Rheinisches in 1816 Nr29 Infantrie Regiment – former 2nd Berg Infantrie Regiment – 3rd Rheinisches in 1816 Nr30 Infantrie Regiment – former 1st Regiment Russo-German Legion – 4th Rheinisches in 1816 Nr31 Infantrie Regiment – former 2nd Regiment Russo-German Legion – 1st Thϋringisches in 1816 Nr32 Infantrie Regiment – from mix of Landwehr units – 2nd Thϋringisches in 1816 |
Oliver Schmidt | 10 Dec 2017 2:05 a.m. PST |
link In early 1815, the recruits from the Elbe and Westphalian provinces were disttributed to the existing line regiments, especially to those which belonged to Blücher's Army of the Rhine. Arriving at the regiments, they were distributed to all the companies. So there were – except for the Landwehr – no regiments in which only Westphalian dialects were spoken. |
Prince of Essling | 10 Dec 2017 2:24 a.m. PST |
Many thanks Oliver – I couldn't remember where I had found the quote! |
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