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Tango0106 Dec 2017 3:08 p.m. PST

So good!
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Amicalement
Armand

Whirlwind06 Dec 2017 3:09 p.m. PST

Sabermetric techniques prove that Napoleon was the best battlefield general ever? link

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2017 3:58 p.m. PST

He doesn't understand why Hannibal ranked Pyrrhus #2. It was because of his sterling ability to construct fortified camps. grin
Therefore Pyrrhus doesn't qualify for his rather stringent criteria.
But the real question is how well he did with men on base in scoring positions, since he's using sabermetrics.

I wonder what would happen if Wellington and Napoleon had the same conversation as did Hannibal and Scipio. Would Nosey ask Boney if he would rank himself higher if he had defeated him?

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2017 4:25 p.m. PST

My ranking is simpler.

In the end, did he win his war?

If the answer is "no," then the guy (or lady) who beat him was the better general.

Sergeant Paper06 Dec 2017 5:32 p.m. PST

So the Austrians? General Winter? Horatio Nelson? Boney got whipped several different ways.

Whirlwind06 Dec 2017 11:56 p.m. PST

But the real question is how well he did with men on base in scoring positions, since he's using sabermetrics.

You say that Winston, but surely the real problem is that he hasn't adjusted for park effects and era…

Whirlwind06 Dec 2017 11:58 p.m. PST

Incidentally Armand, this bug is rubbish but those figures are lovely!

Puddinhead Johnson07 Dec 2017 4:53 a.m. PST

He had an awesome slider and a respectable fastball.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP07 Dec 2017 6:06 a.m. PST

So, the guy who takes command once and wins despite overwhelming odds ranks as (not quite) 1 WAR. The flunkey just high up enough to be mentioned in wikipedia whose superior fights 12 battles at even odds and wins seven has a WAR of 1.5. And losing entire wars doesn't count because they aren't battles. I'm not as impressed as I'm evidently supposed to be.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP07 Dec 2017 7:43 a.m. PST

this bug is rubbish but those figures are lovely!

This bug is a "feature" and not rubbish.

Criticism of the "bug" doubts the great wisdom of Our Dear Leader.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP07 Dec 2017 8:46 a.m. PST

Preach it Brother!

Tango0107 Dec 2017 9:52 a.m. PST

Glad you like them my friend! (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP07 Dec 2017 7:23 p.m. PST

Well, you can't argue with math

You also have a hard time winning in the end when you manage to antagonize an entire continent against you!

Paul B08 Dec 2017 4:20 a.m. PST

Does this system take into account the quality of the opponents they faced,
(troops and their general's)?

Whirlwind08 Dec 2017 4:42 a.m. PST

Does this system take into account the quality of the opponents they faced,(troops and their general's)?

NAFAIK. Personally I consider this whole thing as at the "mildly diverting" stage rather than anything else.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2017 7:41 a.m. PST

Curiously the Napoleonic Forum did discuss whether longbows might have outclassed musketry in the age of Boney. Let's face it, rate of fire, degree of inaccuracy, impact and training needed not that different. Not as daft as it sounded, but the feeling was that the musket of the 1800s outdid the longbow…….

grahambeyrout08 Dec 2017 11:41 a.m. PST

The ranking methodology takes the number of battles into account, as the author himself admits. Consequently Alexander, played 9, won 9 is ranked relatively low.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2017 1:15 p.m. PST

This whole thread did appear on the utter drivel message board and, however valuable individual contributions, the chaos suggests that is where it belongs

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