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Noll C Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2017 2:18 a.m. PST

I feel like dusting off my figures for 1884-5 Suakin campaign, but have never found rules that capture the period and are straightforward to play. Any suggestions? 15mm btw.

Dexter Ward06 Dec 2017 2:53 a.m. PST

The Men Who Would be Kings, if you want a 'skirmish' type of game.
Death in the Dark Continent if you want a bigger game

Basha Felika06 Dec 2017 6:17 a.m. PST

It's still possible to use MWWBK for bigger battles with just a few tweaks – use 1 stand of 15mm figures instead of a single 28mm, so a British unit can consist of 8-12 stands (anything from 24-48 figures depending on your basing) and represent anything from a company to a battalion.

Definitely has enough period feel, it's easy to add some Campaign-specific amendments and very easy to play. Definitely ‘different' if not ‘better' than TSATF.

There's some useful earlier threads regarding MWWBK here, and an active Facebook page as well.

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2017 7:22 a.m. PST

Why muck about? The Sword and the Flame.

slugbalancer06 Dec 2017 8:11 a.m. PST

The Sword and the Flame for me as well. If you come across bits you don't like just ignore or change them.

Basha Felika06 Dec 2017 9:13 a.m. PST

As you live in the UK, it'll be much easier to find opponents for MWWBK than TSATF, where it's never really caught on.

"Science v Pluck" is the specialist ‘go to' set for the Sudan: the ‘role play' element is often overstated but the variable bound and other novel mechanisms make it rather more complex to get the most out of than you might want.

As an alternative, more traditional set of big battle rules, look at ‘Battles for Empire 2'.

Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2017 11:10 a.m. PST

Battles for Empire 2 is very good for large battles if your figures are not based for skirmish games. It uses a Fire & Fury/Age of Eagles movement type system which does a fantastic job of simulating the "lava flow" attack of native forces.

Winston Smith06 Dec 2017 1:44 p.m. PST


Timmo uk06 Dec 2017 2:10 p.m. PST

Battles for Empire II, as stated above or They Don't Like it Up 'EM by TooFatLardies in one of their Christmas specials.

Lion in the Stars06 Dec 2017 2:50 p.m. PST

Did people forget Peter Pig's Patrols in the Sudan?

Basha Felika07 Dec 2017 1:01 p.m. PST

Played PITS a couple of times and ‘borrowed' its random terrain and appearing/disappearing Mahdists rules for an adaptation of SvP but didn't fall in love with the rules.

Noll C Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2017 9:27 a.m. PST

Fearfully grateful for suggestions, you chaps.

Should help me to get to Khartoum…

sillypoint08 Dec 2017 5:48 p.m. PST

Science vs.Pluck- More like a RPG. But heaps of flavour.

Dave Crowell13 Jan 2018 6:53 a.m. PST

PITS is my go to for the Soudan. 1:1 figure to man scale, small actions, great fun.

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