Tango01  | 04 Dec 2017 9:12 p.m. PST |
"That's a really good question. For the purposes of this discussion, we're going to actually award not one, but four prizes: HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION BEST ALL-AROUND SHIP, and BEST ALL-AROUND TREATY BATTLESHIP The HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION title goes to the ship who can step into the ring and go toe-to-toe, one-on-one with any other guy, at whatever range, and have the best chance of winning. In other words, anti-aircraft and secondary armament and all that foo-foo stuff will be considered irrelevant. In principle, any ship of the seven presented here are candidates, however, the smart money is on either Yamato or Iowa…" Main page link Amicalement Armand |
StarCruiser | 05 Dec 2017 8:14 a.m. PST |
Iowa class – hands down. Guns and armor are not the only thing that matters in an effective design. This article has been around for years (Combined Fleet is an older site). |
ScottWashburn  | 05 Dec 2017 10:42 a.m. PST |
Yup, the Iowas were probably the best. The combination of speed, armor, and hitting power made them the ultimate superdreadnoughts. |
Tango01  | 05 Dec 2017 11:56 a.m. PST |
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Bob the Temple Builder | 05 Dec 2017 12:59 p.m. PST |
HMS Vanguard. More seaworthy than the Iowas … even if her armament was second-hand. |
Joes Shop  | 05 Dec 2017 2:01 p.m. PST |
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goragrad | 05 Dec 2017 2:01 p.m. PST |
A bit of bias built into those ratings. If all of the battleships had served in the Pacific in 1945 I think you'd find that several of them would have had significant changes to their AS suites. Similarly with FC and radar – 1941 Bismark vs 1945 Iowa… |
Mollinary | 05 Dec 2017 3:08 p.m. PST |
Well, what a pointless discussion. The last battleships, produced by the nation with the most resources, are the best. Wow, what a surprise! They have better AA protection than ships designed before aircraft were a significant threat -who would have guessed? No mention then for the Queen Elizabeth Class, built 1914-15, in service until the end of WW2? HMS Warspite, best value for money? |
Blutarski | 05 Dec 2017 6:32 p.m. PST |
An exercise in futility, as conclusively demonstrated by the endless succession of hyperbolic debates that have graced the Navweaps Battleship versus Bttleship website over the years. Strictly my opinion, of course. B |
14th NJ Vol | 06 Dec 2017 7:15 a.m. PST |
Bob the Temple Builder: How were the Iowa class less sea worthy than HMS Vanguard? I never read the Iowa's having any seakeeping issues? |
Captain Gideon | 06 Dec 2017 8:56 a.m. PST |
Regardless of what some would say I'll take the Yamato. |
goragrad | 06 Dec 2017 3:14 p.m. PST |
As to the Vanguard, Breyer in Battleships and Battlecruisers noted a post-war anecdote of an Iowa and the Vanguard on a joint exercise where in heavy seas the Iowa was rolling significantly more than the Vanguard. Don't have the book to hand to give the numbers. |
daler240D | 08 Dec 2017 10:46 a.m. PST |
are you including the quality and training of the crew? |