Tango01  | 04 Dec 2017 8:12 p.m. PST |
"That's a really good question. For the purposes of this discussion, we're going to actually award not one, but four prizes: HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION
BEST ALL-AROUND SHIP, and
BEST ALL-AROUND TREATY BATTLESHIP The HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION title goes to the ship who can step into the ring and go toe-to-toe, one-on-one with any other guy, at whatever range, and have the best chance of winning. In other words, anti-aircraft and secondary armament and all that foo-foo stuff will be considered irrelevant. In principle, any ship of the seven presented here are candidates, however, the smart money is on either Yamato or Iowa…"
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| StarCruiser | 05 Dec 2017 7:14 a.m. PST |
Iowa class – hands down. Guns and armor are not the only thing that matters in an effective design. This article has been around for years (Combined Fleet is an older site). |
ScottWashburn  | 05 Dec 2017 9:42 a.m. PST |
Yup, the Iowas were probably the best. The combination of speed, armor, and hitting power made them the ultimate superdreadnoughts. |
| Tango01 | 05 Dec 2017 10:56 a.m. PST |
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| Bob the Temple Builder | 05 Dec 2017 11:59 a.m. PST |
HMS Vanguard. More seaworthy than the Iowas … even if her armament was second-hand. |
| Joes Shop | 05 Dec 2017 1:01 p.m. PST |
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| goragrad | 05 Dec 2017 1:01 p.m. PST |
A bit of bias built into those ratings. If all of the battleships had served in the Pacific in 1945 I think you'd find that several of them would have had significant changes to their AS suites. Similarly with FC and radar – 1941 Bismark vs 1945 Iowa… |
| mollinary | 05 Dec 2017 2:08 p.m. PST |
Well, what a pointless discussion. The last battleships, produced by the nation with the most resources, are the best. Wow, what a surprise! They have better AA protection than ships designed before aircraft were a significant threat -who would have guessed? No mention then for the Queen Elizabeth Class, built 1914-15, in service until the end of WW2? HMS Warspite, best value for money? |
| Blutarski | 05 Dec 2017 5:32 p.m. PST |
An exercise in futility, as conclusively demonstrated by the endless succession of hyperbolic debates that have graced the Navweaps Battleship versus Bttleship website over the years. Strictly my opinion, of course. B |
| 14th NJ Vol | 06 Dec 2017 6:15 a.m. PST |
Bob the Temple Builder:
How were the Iowa class less sea worthy than HMS Vanguard? I never read the Iowa's having any seakeeping issues? |
| Captain Gideon | 06 Dec 2017 7:56 a.m. PST |
Regardless of what some would say I'll take the Yamato. |
| goragrad | 06 Dec 2017 2:14 p.m. PST |
As to the Vanguard, Breyer in Battleships and Battlecruisers noted a post-war anecdote of an Iowa and the Vanguard on a joint exercise where in heavy seas the Iowa was rolling significantly more than the Vanguard. Don't have the book to hand to give the numbers. |
daler240D  | 08 Dec 2017 9:46 a.m. PST |
are you including the quality and training of the crew? |
