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Osage201703 Dec 2017 7:04 p.m. PST

Do you usually give an escort to your C-in-C ?
Is it mounted escort ?? How large ?

Or you think this is a complete waste of resources ?

rmaker03 Dec 2017 7:38 p.m. PST

Since we game at a 1:100 ratio, we do not provide a separate escort for command figures, but each is assumed to have an appropriate establishment. And remember that one of the primary uses of the escort is to provide couriers.

Personal logo Nashville Supporting Member of TMP03 Dec 2017 8:00 p.m. PST

The "escorts" in my game are associated staff to flesh out the command stand:

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RudyNelson03 Dec 2017 8:36 p.m. PST

Escorts only if the General may need couriers to send orders to other units or commands.

A lot does depend on troop ratio.

N0tt0N Supporting Member of TMP03 Dec 2017 8:40 p.m. PST

Usually a blond

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP03 Dec 2017 9:42 p.m. PST

Usually, I wouldn't do it. The problem is by the time your miniature commander is high-enough ranking to rate an escort unit, the troop ratio is too high to show the unit. The commander needs to be relatively low-ranking or the escort unusually large. Napoleon's duty squadrons of the Imperial Guard might make it, or the escort companies of light horse which often went with French corps command in the Peninsula.

But mostly, I just put more men on the command stand to show level of command. If there's a special escort of ADC uniform, I'll try to use it.

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2017 1:15 a.m. PST

I increase the establishment of the staff as the commander becomes more senior. I use the following for 1:20 scale Napoleonics:

Brigade HQ Commander, ADC and escort (latter replaced by trumpeter in cavalry brigades).

Division HQ Commander, 2 x ADC, escort (cavalry troop, 3 figures), Chief of Staff (brigade major, adjutant-commandant, etc), artillery commander.

Corps HQ Commander, 3 x ADC, escort (cavalry squadron, 6 figures), Chief of Staff, artillery commander and ADC, engineer commander and ADC.

This allows for the commander to make a physical impact and for a variable use of the figures depending on rules in use.

Also, painting staff officers is fun.

grecian195904 Dec 2017 2:39 a.m. PST

I agree with the above comments
I use them quantities of figures on command bases to show level eg brigade division corps and army . I also use figure types to differentiate cavalry from infantry generals command bases

pbishop1204 Dec 2017 3:01 a.m. PST

1:20 ratio here also. All my commanders are on circular bases. One General figure only for Brigade. Two figues for Division, 3 for higher rank/position Footprint is large anyway, so I minimize it by a circular base vs. square or rectangular for the rest of the army.

Personal logo Florida Tory Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2017 4:14 a.m. PST

Yes.

Command figures and escorts make the best eye candy. They do not have to be mounted. On my table, Napoleon is escorted by the Old Guard band, while the Tsar gets a squadron of Chevalier Guard, and so on.

If I am gaming with a tactical command my favorite being a cavalry corps at 1:20 ratio my "escort" will be a guard cavalry regiment, with a pair of attached horse artillery batteries.

Rick

huevans01104 Dec 2017 6:30 a.m. PST

Usually a blond

Mounted?

huevans01104 Dec 2017 6:32 a.m. PST

You could simply assign the commander a melee value. Add rules that he can not attack, must flee to the nearest formed unit unless trapped and cut off and then allow him to "fight his way clear" if surrounded.

Personal logo McLaddie Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2017 7:18 a.m. PST

Need? Sometimes it's nice to have a break from all the same uniforms and get to paint up the really gaudy ones found among the staff…

Lion in the Stars04 Dec 2017 8:20 a.m. PST

Usually a blond

Mounted?

Surely not during the battle! evil grin

But yes, I model high command with staff.

huevans01104 Dec 2017 9:25 a.m. PST

But yes, I model high command with staff.

"High" command? – Aah yes, Kutuzov and his vast stockpile of bad quality brandy sitting in the rear areas at Borodino, ignoring Barclay's requests.

Marcel180904 Dec 2017 10:35 a.m. PST

Brigade generals are just a single figure, divisional commanders have one ADC, corps commanders have two ADC's or escort figure, commander in chief has a full vignetteIn our rules. And then we use loose ADC's for messengers

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2017 10:48 a.m. PST

I use the same system as Marcel 1809 -helps to sort out who's who on a cluttered battlefield

Garde de Paris04 Dec 2017 11:00 a.m. PST

Back in the day when I actually gamed, I used 1:20 ratio, 36-figure French battalions. I considered an independent officer figure with 1 additions – aide de camp for the brigade of 4 battalions. My units were all for the Peninsular Campaign.

For the Division of 3 brigades, I considered one officer, two others.

For the Corps of 2 or 3 divisions, planned to use the officer, plus 2 Lancier Gendarmes, and an aide de camp. Soult was to be my Corps commander, with his yellow-coated aide from the 2nd Hussars.

GdeP

Osage201705 Dec 2017 8:35 a.m. PST

Lion the Stars wrote:
"Usually a blond
Mounted?
Surely not during the battle! evil grin
But yes, I model high command with staff."

:-)))))
One of the funniest comments on this forum all times.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2017 8:50 a.m. PST

What worries me is no "e" on the end of blond. Masculine therefore.

XX Chromosomes requires an "e" to be a "blonde". Mounted on anything else is a bit "progressive" for me I confess

OK there was a scandal about Prince Billy in later years as King…..but otherwise……..

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