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Tango0129 Nov 2017 12:16 p.m. PST

… of being executed?

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Amicalement
Armand

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2017 3:59 p.m. PST

All fairly reasonable. I don't think there was ever any prospect of a trial. But I suspect Napoleon did well to surrender to the British, whose homeland had not been ravaged and whose women had not been raped by his soldiers. Continental monarchs reluctant to charge a sort of fellow monarch with disturbing the peace of Europe might have been perfectly willing to pardon some overzealous subordinate who shot him against the nearest wall.

Leadjunky29 Nov 2017 6:25 p.m. PST

Should have turned him over to the Spanish.

MaggieC7029 Nov 2017 7:10 p.m. PST

How about Alexander I, who wanted to take Napoleon out following the victory at Leipzig, galloping all the way to Paris if that's what it took. Just think what fun all those Cossacks would have had raping, pillaging, burning, all the way to and inside Paris until they cornered their nemesis.

I expect the Prussians would have had little if any compunction about executing, one way or another, the individual who'd been humiliating them continually since Valmy.

And poor, long-suffering Francis I… what he might not have done to erase the stain of Austria's humiliation, larger even on many levels than Prussia's.

Indeed, the Spanish would have visited some appropriate end on their tormentor, and probably taking quite a while, for maximum effect.

Yet in the end, it's a big so what? Who emerged from exile, and the fantasies of execution by aggrieved groups, as a bigger winner than the monarchs who remained, for the time being, firmly on their thrones?

The British will do fairly well, if one is fond of Victoria and her ministers and the stamp of an era: industrialism, imperialism, upper middle-class values, constricting, faux-pious morality on the outside, raging depravity in private, and over it all a wonderful sense of unmitigated complacency.

The Prussians get Frederick III, the Wimp, until they get Frederick IV the Crazy, who blundered badly in 1849, leading to Kaiser Wilhelm I and clever Bismarck, the only light in that particular tunnel.

The Austrians will endure an entire century of nonentities, second-rate politics, forgettable leaders of any kind, and another abject military defeat in 1866. Well, they will manage to perfect the waltz, and how to put whipped cream on everything…

The Russians will endure Alexander I's waffling between liberalism and conservatism until he succumbs to a bizarre sort of spiritualism, and leaves everything to his brother Nicholas I, who will be followed by a lengthy succession of neocon autocrats unheard of in Western Europe since the late middle ages. What fun!

And the Spanish? They get the once-adored Ferdinand VII, who when he returns to the throne recalls the Spanish Inquisition, announces the earth is indeed flat, and makes certain that the Spanish economy, already on life-support, finally gasps its last. Spain fades away into mediocrity and obscurity.

Now that I think about it, none of these folks could shoot well enough to hit the side of a barn, much less an average-size French guy.

Tango0129 Nov 2017 11:16 p.m. PST

Chapeaux pour vous mon ami!! (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Pan Marek30 Nov 2017 9:59 a.m. PST

Whip cream and waltz! Default goes to the Austrians.

MaggieC7030 Nov 2017 2:00 p.m. PST

But wait, Pan Marek! Let's not forget the chocolate… all those layers and layers of Sacher torte. Put some whipped cream on top, enjoy, and then waltz off all those calories… or not.

I agree. The Austrians really win.

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP30 Nov 2017 2:08 p.m. PST

In 1809, the Austrians lost a war to Napoleon. And the composer Josef Hayden died. The latter was seen as a bigger tragedy than the former.

It all comes down to what is considered important. Geo-politics? Meh. Music? Now we're talking about what matters!

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