"English 'Gentlemen'?" Topic

But either way, even if the British soldiers were reducing the world to ashes… that still doesn't change the fact that the sources you quoted were found to be basing their claims on sources that don't say what they say they said. People went out and read them, and if anything they leave the idea in tatters. Thankfully the better historians of TMP are not intimidated!

Quite.

The distractions just don't work any more.

Garth in the park

Funny how anything negative said about the British is considered as 'distractions'. It is a rather feeble, pathetic and cowardly excuse to cover up what they did. I guess to some it only matters and can only be wrong when Napoleon or the French do them. Some people just can't cope with the truth. Rather sad but it is just a case of the same old comical and hypocritical posts from the same old blinkered mindsets.

By John 54

'snapping puppy' The very nerve LOL

Oh yeah, happy new year.

This topic may be dead but I think it will be returned to next year, possibly after some new publications become available, which might shed a light and reveal some new, possibly unwanted by some research. Of course, if it negative against the British it will naturally be dismissed but if negative towards Napoleon it will be hailed as a masterpiece. LOL

Same old, same old.

Anyway, all the best to everyone and yes, I do mean everyone.

I want nothing more than for historians to stop parroting other Historians and lazily going about their diatribes by using unsubstantiated quotes and myths. If someone publishes the actual documents or a link to sources that verify any historical allegation, then all well and good and I for one am all for it no matter what it may lay bare. But until such a thing happens, I'm not going to stand by and let people post what they like without actual evidence.

Paul :)

SToP PReSS

Or, to put it another way:

"Instead of making pejorative personal comments and relying apparently only on a modern secondary source, perhaps you could merely stick to the topic which you seem unable to do."

30 Dec 2017 5:56 a.m. PST

Funny how anything negative said about the British is considered as 'distractions'. It is a rather feeble, pathetic and cowardly excuse to cover up what they did. I guess to some it only matters and can only be wrong when Napoleon or the French do them. Some people just can't cope with the truth. Rather sad but it is just a case of the same old comical and hypocritical posts from the same old blinkered mindsets.

No, this was a thread started by A Certain Person, in which he tried to claim, by linking one of his other threads on another site, that the British attempted to assassinate Napoleon and had training camps in Britain for such terrorist activity. When pressed for his sources, he produced only a few sentences in English-language secondary books. Again. He then refused to address whether those books had primary sources to back them up, and demanded that others had to prove him wrong by looking it up, themselves. Again.

So they did. Again. And – big surprise – they found that no such primary sources existed, and that the few instances of footnotes offered made no references at all either to British assassination attempts on Napoleon or terrorist training camps.

So A Certain Person was exposed for misrepresenting and obfuscating. Again.

The thread would have ended there, with him refusing to admit it – Again – but then you jumped in, trying to change the subject to: "How great Napoleon was, and how all you mean guys are biased and against him LOL!" Again.

Nobody was distracted by that, however. Everybody remains pretty clear on what the thread was about. It was about accuracy and sources.

Thank you, Garth and Paul – I completely agree.