D6 Junkie | 15 Nov 2017 4:11 p.m. PST |
A custoner has an embarkment log sheet. Names a sicilian grenadier unit. Also 47 regt. Anyone heard of them. Document was sold as Napoleonic or war 1812. |
D6 Junkie | 15 Nov 2017 4:11 p.m. PST |
A custoner has an embarkment log sheet. Names a sicilian grenadier unit. Also 47 regt. Anyone heard of them. Document was sold as Napoleonic or war 1812. |
Le Breton | 15 Nov 2017 5:46 p.m. PST |
A photo of the document would help. If the Sicilians and the "47 regt." were on the same side …. It would have to be the British 47th Lancashire Regiment of Foot. 2nd Battalion 47th Foot served in the Mediterranean at Gibralter from October 1809 until landing at Tarifa and Barrosa in Spain in February 1811. They remained in Spain until the end of the Peninsular War and then crossed into Bordeaux. Commanders : Lieutenant-Colonel Humphrey Dalrymple Bland 9/1809-4/1811, Major Richard Broad 6/1811-10/1812, Major Robert Kelly 4/1813-8/1813, Major Richard Chetham 9/1813-4/1814. See : PDF link Among the few Sicilian units that were used in Spain was the battaglione di granatieri della guardia reale del Regno di Sicilia (comandante tenente-colonnello Francesco Galluzzi). They landed at Alicante in December 1812 and remained in Catalonia until April 1814. See : link However, I cannot see any obvious connection between these two units. It is not impossible that some soldiers of each found themselves on the same ship (for example, being taken to hospital at Gilbraltar). As noted above, a little detail from the document would help to give you more information. |
D6 Junkie | 15 Nov 2017 8:53 p.m. PST |
Will post pic of document tomorrow thanks Le Breton |
Kevin in Albuquerque | 15 Nov 2017 8:59 p.m. PST |
I am very sorry – I'm tired and somewhat sleep deprived. When I saw this topic I had an image come to mind of ferocious Sicilians storming a fortified position and tossing pizzas at the enemy. My bad. |
22ndFoot | 16 Nov 2017 9:48 a.m. PST |
Are you sure it's the 47th foot and not the 27th? The 2/27th were part, with 605 Sicilian grenadiers, of Bentinck's expedition from Sicily to eastern Spain in 1812. They embarked on 14 November 1812. A link to Fortescue: link The 1st Btn 47th was in India at this time and the 2/47th, having been in Gibraltar as stated, was in Portugal. |
Il Granatiere | 16 Nov 2017 12:05 p.m. PST |
According to the agreement with the British government, a Sicilian brigade composed by a Royal Grenadier battalion , the 1st " Estero" ( foreigner) regiment , 2 squadrons of cavalry and an artillery battery arrived in Spain on February 1813. They were engaged at the siege of Tarragona. The uniform of the grenadiers in the pictures are for palace service and combat.
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deadhead | 16 Nov 2017 12:23 p.m. PST |
Now it may well be that these chaps would have struck terror into 1/95, such that The Rifles would have fled at the first shot.. and yet….I doubt that. Even less after re-reading as I see they were on our side! Every so often you see soldiers in a rig that suggests the greatest threat they suggested to their opposition is inducing a fit of helpless laughter and "apoplexy", I think it was called. Personally, I feel a Phlegmon of the Lites coming on, as I look at their outfits. For those of you who do throw dice, I think these chaps need a 6 to just enter the table, let alone stay there for 5 minutes! |
D6 Junkie | 16 Nov 2017 9:01 p.m. PST |
Here you go guys the actual embarkation log pape my customer has link |
Mserafin | 16 Nov 2017 9:31 p.m. PST |
"I don't know what effect these men will have on the enemy, but by God, they terrify me." |
Le Breton | 16 Nov 2017 9:55 p.m. PST |
Granatiere : Very nice prints. Thank you. Do you know the work in whihc they were published? ============= Am I doing something wrong ? I can access an image of the log that is 900 x 1600 pixels – but it is only 78 kb in size (like a massively enlarged thumnail) and is so blurred that I cannot make out a single word. Can other colleagues read it ? |
Il Granatiere | 17 Nov 2017 12:02 a.m. PST |
Le Breton the images came from the volume " L' Esercito Borbonico dal 1789 al 1815", published by the Italian Army Historical Office, authors Giancarlo Boeri e Piero Crociani. There are other three volumes covering the period 1815- 1861, text in Italian with a lot of images. Kevin in Albuquerque, to be precise the troops were Sicilian, so no chance to toss pizza at the enemy, at least caponata or other Sicilian food, ( Pizza at the time was specifically Neapolitan) The army was 9.000 strong and only 2.000 were really involved in operations in Spain and in Italy, fighting for a certain period even on the same side of Murat. Really a small effort but I did't find complains from the British, that were paying these troops, regarding their service. Good cannon fodder…….. |
Le Breton | 17 Nov 2017 4:53 a.m. PST |
Granatiere : Thank you! :-) |
D6 Junkie | 17 Nov 2017 6:18 a.m. PST |
Sorry gentlemen i.ll try and get a better pic |
D6 Junkie | 17 Nov 2017 4:18 p.m. PST |
Link to original auction has pic . auction |
Le Breton | 18 Nov 2017 1:06 a.m. PST |
Indeed, it is the embarkation roster for the departue of British and Allied forces lifting the siege of Tarragona in mid-June 1812. The numbers such as "26 Ellice" refer to the identification number given by the Royal Navy to merchant ships and transports. page 1 Embarkation State ____________________________________________ 58th Regt – Bristol 760 – Head Qrs Staff Horses and Mules in the Hyperion 203 and Albeona 10 – Camp Kettle Mules Isis 391 ____________________________________________ 4th K.G.L. Nos. 26 Ellice 280 Men | 87 ???llington 400 do --| Head Qrs 81 Essex 200 do | = 880 Regtl Staff Horses & Mules Hyperion 203 Camp Kettle Mules Thames 106 ____________________________________________ 67th Regt Nos. Men H. M. Ship Brune 300 | Hd Qrs 312 Marnier 55 | 75 Alconi 55 --| 500 335 ????llinton 50 | 241 Mary 40 | Horses & Mules Hyperion 203 C.K. Mules Thames 106
page 2 Sicilian Grenadiers Nos. Men 278 Dominica 360 | Lt.Col. Galluzzo 242 C. Williams 35 --| = 430 Men 88 Progress 35 | Horses and Mules ???lantha 410 C.K. Mules Peace 250 ____________________________________________ Estico Regt Nos. Men 173 Anacreon 380 | Hd Qrs Col. Pastore 64 Nymph 280 --| 830 417 Request 170 | Horses and Mules ???lantha 410 C.K. Mules Peace 250 ____________________________________________ Staff 1st Division ??? White …. Heart of Oak 325 M.Gl. Smith Capt Brace … Ann Staff Sergent Frank??? Capt K???sterman … Anacreon
page 3Rolls Dillions 261 – Recovery – Hd Qrs 110 – Ann 132 – British Ann
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D6 Junkie | 18 Nov 2017 7:43 a.m. PST |
WoW! Thanks Guys! I told the customer that I knew just the place to get the info. Well Done! The Wargaming Community at it's finest. |
Il Granatiere | 18 Nov 2017 8:23 a.m. PST |
Great work Le Breton!! Col. Pastore was the Commanding Officer of the Sicilian Brigade and the Regiment on the second page is Estero. |
Le Breton | 18 Nov 2017 4:56 p.m. PST |
"the Regiment on the second page is Estero." Indeed, but spelled in British, I think. :-) We also have the utterly exotic de Roll / Dillon combined provisional battalion. We know this is the embarkation to depart as Havilland Smith is listed after being promoted Major-General. And the commander of the expedition's court martial is here : link The auction listing said ther was another, larger, folded page. |
Il Granatiere | 19 Nov 2017 7:21 a.m. PST |
Only to complete…. Sicilian Estero Regiment
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