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Jabba Miles09 Nov 2017 3:33 a.m. PST

I have been thinking about napoleonic light cavalry in Black Powder.

In their stats they have no shooting value, yet were all armed with carbines or in the case of the French dragoons a musket. They also don't have a dismounted rule yet they would have formed picquets dismounted and mounted.
We have created a house rule for French dragoons to dismount and fight as skirmishers.
Dismount requires an order and a move, while remounting requires an order and a whole turn.

We use this for small units of cavalry giving a stat line of H2H:4, Shoot:3, Morale:4, Stamina:2.
Once I get some British dismounted LDs painted up we will sort out stats for them or any other dismounted light cavalry we find figures for in the future.

Now the crux of my question, has anybody given light cavalry a shooting value while mounted? Admittedly you are unlikely to get a whole regiment formed up and firing from the saddle, Sahagun 1808 being an exception, but small or tiny units acting as picquets or scouts may have.
My thoughts are to
a: allow a shot if they haven't moved more than one move that turn.
b: only allow a shot if they haven't moved.

This would not apply to medium or heavy dragoons as I don't think it likely they would have shot from the saddle.

Any thoughts?

Jabba Miles09 Nov 2017 3:51 a.m. PST

Well this is a new one. Press submit once and it posts four identical topics with four identical comments. This Forum gets weirder all the time.

Mick the Metalsmith Inactive Member09 Nov 2017 4:21 a.m. PST

I only give dismounted shooting in skirmish games.. All other mounted shooting is subsumed into close combat.

And french Dragoon's did dismount, but not in large battles, it was more usual to find it in affairs of reconnaissance and pursuit. At least one case of it was to defend a bridge by occupying some buildings in the Peninsula but iirc it wasn't much more than a troop or squadron.

pancernijoe Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member09 Nov 2017 5:03 a.m. PST

Not every trooper in every unit carried or was issued a carbine, or musket. Some issues of ammo for cavalry units were extremely low. Most units would have negligible firepower capacity.

Not something (firing en masse from the saddle) I would think needs modeling in a game set in the Napoleonic era.

Your mileage may vary.

grecian1959 Inactive Member09 Nov 2017 8:40 a.m. PST

Maybe look at BP Clash of Eagles there's something there about cavalry skirmishing etc ok

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2017 9:02 a.m. PST

Well heavy cavalry carried carbines too. And they probably used them in battle as often as dragoons and light cavalry (as in almost never)
All French cavalry at Waterloo used their pistols and carbines in desperate attempts at disrupting the Allied squares.

A unit of chasseurs at Eylau met some Russian dragoons (I think) with carbine fire. It did work to some degree. But only because of the snow.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2017 10:38 a.m. PST

For Black Powder (and any other grand tactical rules) I would say that shooting requires dismounting

Three Armies09 Nov 2017 12:51 p.m. PST

I have read reports of whole units giving fire from the saddle and taking the enemy charge halted and winning! i think that was during 1809 campaign but i cant remember where I read it. :(

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