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Clays Russians08 Nov 2017 9:34 a.m. PST

So is Shako 2 really better? I like Shako 1, I honestly didn't think 💭 it needed a second writing. I see where Shako 2 uses (or strongly suggests) a four stand battalion (16 piece) arrangement. I'm so old school, that I still see imperial troops in 2 stands of 4 (single rank) with 2 stands of two, and German/Russian infantry in 4 stands of 3. Hapsburgers at 16 and 12. (Or 18 for the purest who use that for the first 2 battalions of the foot regiments). I've been using the commands and colors blocks for Shako and it has given me good solo battles, is Shako 2 worth the cost? I also have black powder and like that too, but I have some heartburn over the brigade breaks no up when half of your battalions are disrupted. If I'm reading this correctly, if you have a force of 16 battalions in 4 brigades of 4 battalions, and you find yourself with 2 battalions from 2 of your brigades dispersed, your corps quits the field. Uhhhhh what?

Green Tiger09 Nov 2017 3:27 a.m. PST

If you like the old version why change?

GarryWills09 Nov 2017 6:02 a.m. PST

It is important to spend some time rallying shaken units in Black Powder, it is not glorious but keeps you in the game. 3 brigades of 5 battalions is more a robust organisation, requiring 6 battalions to be shaken or broken. Some people use more than half shaken or broken as the brigade break point, which pushes the number of units upto 6 of your 16 units. Given historical casualty rates the rules as written seem about right to me.


Jabba Miles09 Nov 2017 6:13 a.m. PST

We use over half for a brigade/division to break as well, and yes got to rally those hit points off.

Dexter Ward09 Nov 2017 8:28 a.m. PST

I don't think v2 of Shako is an improvement (and it doesn't have the Big Battle game or the Seven Years War variant, either).

Clays Russians09 Nov 2017 11:33 a.m. PST

Garry Willis: excellent point. I think I would go with half of the base units as in , 16 battalions, – 8 dispersed/driven off, you are forced from the field. Just a thought.
Dexter, another good point. If it's not broke, why fix it until it is broke.
Also, I have people get downright righteous over double rank figures with units on the table top, but I if you have a battalion of 12 in single rank, or a battalion of 24 in double rank, the footprint frontage is the same. It's nothing but asthetics. I am in a conundrum.



I need a bottle of Burgundy

Personal logo ioannis Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2017 4:05 p.m. PST

I still like Shako 1…

Marc at work10 Nov 2017 5:49 a.m. PST

I like double rank because I am old school, and my ideas around Napoleonics were formed by admiring Peter Gilder's magnificent work – which was all double ranked. Of course, the depth is even worse out of scale that way, but it is just a compromise I accept. It does mean I have to paint twice as many figures though. But it also means my colonel's horse doesn't stick out in front (my bases are 40mm deep, 15mm wide per figure, 1:20 scale (although in reality to reflect battlefield strengths I reckon 1:15 is closer)

So what are the differences between Shako 1 and 2?

Clays Russians11 Nov 2017 3:41 p.m. PST

Marc, I have no idea------

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