Editor in Chief Bill | 07 Nov 2017 5:55 p.m. PST |
Which of the great naval battles of WWII works best on the tabletop? |
rmaker | 07 Nov 2017 6:13 p.m. PST |
Presumably a surface action is wanted, since carrier battles and anti-submarine battles are difficult to do on the table top. Daylight battles usually work better than night battles. With those caveats, it's still hard to pick one, since most of the historical battles were lopsided. I mean, who wants to fight Jervis Bay v. Scheer? Probably the most "even" battle would be River Plate. |
Dances with Clydesdales | 07 Nov 2017 6:25 p.m. PST |
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McKinstry | 07 Nov 2017 6:49 p.m. PST |
Cape Matapan or possibly 2nd Guadalcanal. |
Frederick | 07 Nov 2017 6:53 p.m. PST |
Have done the River Platte a few times, fun battle to game Guadalcanal in interesting but they were night battles Cape Mataplan as well – but tough to do well for the Italians absent air cover |
GamesPoet | 07 Nov 2017 6:56 p.m. PST |
Midway. I've seen it done on the table top with opposing sides not being able to see the other side. Looked like great fun! |
attilathepun47 | 07 Nov 2017 10:52 p.m. PST |
There is some potential for the Java Sea, part of which took place in daylight, to be a good game, if the Allies had some ships which missed the battle, but could well have been present. There were also a couple daylight encounters between the British and Italian fleets that proved desultory in reality, but could make good games if the Italian commander was more aggressive. |
Old Contemptibles | 07 Nov 2017 11:00 p.m. PST |
River Platte is a fun one to do. Fighting around Guadalcanal except there were some night actions. Denmark Strait, but this time hang on to Prinz Eugen and get a full tank of gas before heading to the prom. Surigao Strait Naval battles in the Ofotfjord during the Norwegian Campaign. First naval Battle of Narvik. Second naval Battle of Narvik. Java Sea Cape Esperance Casablanca Empress Augusta Bay Cape Matapan Calabria Cape St. George Vella Lavella Dakar Sirte Blackett Strait Makassar Strait Komandorski Islands |
Virtualscratchbuilder | 08 Nov 2017 5:38 a.m. PST |
You can always try some of the "nearly happened" or "kudda happened" Force Z vs Kongo & Haruna et el. Oldendorf vs Kurita Deyo intercepts operation Ten Go Mers el Kebir at sea Sch. & Gn vs Malaya Sch. & Gn vs Rodney Tirpitz vs London, Norfolk, Tuscaloosa and Wichita Berwick vs Hipper Tirpitz, Hipper, Scheer and Lutzow vs Washington and Duke of York DuBose vs Ise & Hyuga and maybe Oyodo |
Ed Mohrmann | 08 Nov 2017 7:26 a.m. PST |
Another 'coulda' would be FNS Richelieu, a trio of Fantasques and a couple of Duquesnes supported by a sortie from the harbor in Casablanca (FNS Primaguet and assorted smaller craft). Make a good match for USS Massachusetts and her supports (USS Tuscaloosa, USS Wichita and various DD's). I've run such a game several times and the US usually prevails, but it is close, barring dice luck breaking for one side or the other. |
Dexter Ward | 08 Nov 2017 8:32 a.m. PST |
River Plate isn't very interesting – almost impossible for the Germans to win. First Narvik is good. Barents Sea is excellent. Matapan is good if the Italians show a bit of spirit |
brass1 | 08 Nov 2017 10:48 a.m. PST |
Calabria can be fun, especially if you add the possibility that the Italians will bomb their own fleet. I've played Java Sea several times and it's pretty much a slam-dunk for the Japanese; the first time was a demonstration game at the National WWII Museum in New Orleans and the only Japanese casualty was a cruiser (torpedoed by an 11 year old girl!) and the last was at Bayou Wars a couple of years ago. That last game was the only one the Allies ever won. LT |
mjkerner | 08 Nov 2017 4:15 p.m. PST |
Atlantic convoy vs U-boats using Mal Wright's rules. |
21eRegt | 08 Nov 2017 6:57 p.m. PST |
Mers-el-Kiber but allow the French to sortie. Casablanca but add in the Richelieu and her escorts. |
Rudysnelson | 09 Nov 2017 6:24 p.m. PST |
Several rulesets and games have good scenarios. One I can think of is CA, S&T magazine, had a number of scenarios of good surface battles in it. A number of later gaming magazines had additional scenarios for it, Midway and other games. The gang of Seekrieg, run great scenarios at Recon and Hurricon in Florida. Their fan website may have some of these listed. |
David Manley | 10 Nov 2017 9:24 a.m. PST |
Anything with MTBs, MGBs and S Boats :) |
Bozkashi Jones | 12 Nov 2017 12:29 p.m. PST |
Barents Sea, definitely. In the Med, Cape Spada is a highly enjoyable action; 2 Italian CLs v 4 RN DDs with an Aussie CL and further DD as reinforcements. Nick |
Yellow Admiral | 14 Nov 2017 1:39 p.m. PST |
Lots of good suggestions, but mine is simpler: try them all, and then some that almost happened, some that could have happened, and some that should have happened. That's a lifetime of WWII naval gaming right there. - Ix |
miniMo | 14 Nov 2017 5:56 p.m. PST |
Nearly happened: PT/MTBs vs E-Boats on the outer picket line on D-Day. |