Editor in Chief Bill | 31 Oct 2017 6:39 p.m. PST |
If they play the national anthem before a sports game, should they perform the national anthem at the start of the day at a wargaming show or convention? |
Rudysnelson | 31 Oct 2017 6:45 p.m. PST |
It is a hobby not a sporting event. In the end it is all up to the host club and staff. I have no problem with it. |
Timbo W | 31 Oct 2017 6:48 p.m. PST |
At Crusade in Penarth it would certainly surprise the English |
Stryderg | 31 Oct 2017 7:32 p.m. PST |
At one of the conventions I was at, someone started playing bagpipes. Apparently it added some flavor to the game he was hosting. It was pretty good…if you like bagpipes. |
Lord Ashram | 31 Oct 2017 7:34 p.m. PST |
Anyone can play bagpipes whenever they want to, as long as they play well, as far as I am concerned… |
McKinstry | 31 Oct 2017 7:59 p.m. PST |
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capncarp | 31 Oct 2017 9:08 p.m. PST |
Only if all the games have 'Muricans as one of the contestants. Otherwise, "Hail, Hail, Fredonia!", "Waltzing Matilda", "La Marseillaise" (with Spanish guitar, brass section, and Sam's piano accompanying), The Conch Republic Anthem, "Lydia the Tattooed Lady" or "Hooray for Captain Spauldlng". |
KSmyth | 31 Oct 2017 9:15 p.m. PST |
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23rdFusilier | 31 Oct 2017 9:17 p.m. PST |
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PrivateSnafu | 31 Oct 2017 9:28 p.m. PST |
No! It should be the Pledge of Allegiance.
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lloydthegamer | 31 Oct 2017 9:31 p.m. PST |
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Winston Smith | 31 Oct 2017 10:34 p.m. PST |
+1DAF Do all the players playing "progressive" nations ( Soviet Union, Revolutionary French, Cuba…) have to kneel? What a dumb topic, which flagrantly violates the vaunted TMP "no politics" rule. The OP needs 5 days in the DH for that. Oh, wait. It's The Editor. Never mind. |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 31 Oct 2017 10:47 p.m. PST |
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shaun from s and s models | 01 Nov 2017 2:06 a.m. PST |
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Dicymick | 01 Nov 2017 3:29 a.m. PST |
How about onward Christian Soldiers. |
robert piepenbrink | 01 Nov 2017 4:00 a.m. PST |
You're confused. It's the people who want exemptions from anti-trust laws and taxpayer-funded stadiums who want to play--and then disrespect--the Anthem. For us, how about a few bars of "The March of the Tin Soldiers" on opening day? Beats that woman at Valley Forge Convention Center who wanted to give a speech. |
JimDuncanUK | 01 Nov 2017 5:02 a.m. PST |
Don't think some UK wargamers would be happy with an anthem which includes a verse about 'crushing rebellious Scots'. |
Joes Shop | 01 Nov 2017 5:11 a.m. PST |
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Ottoathome | 01 Nov 2017 5:35 a.m. PST |
As far as I know, no wargame convention has ever played the anthem or recited the pledge of allegiance. Nor has any model railroad show, coin collecters event, numismatic event, quilting show, auto show, boat show, flea market, garage sale, or social event or county fair, picnic, barbecue or lodge day. |
Rotundo | 01 Nov 2017 6:04 a.m. PST |
To answer as posed, I would participate respectfully whether my nation or another. I do not however, feel it necessary. |
Legion 4 | 01 Nov 2017 6:16 a.m. PST |
No need for the Anthem[the US's I take it as Bill lives in the USA ?!] to be played at a place where [supposed]grown men and possibly some women play with toys. IMO, of course, it really is not necessary … I think Otto put in best … |
WarWizard | 01 Nov 2017 6:28 a.m. PST |
At the start of the day? What is considered the start – 5 minutes before they open the ticket booth? Not everyone, is present at the start of a wargaming convention. And mostly everyone is not present. At least at the ones I've attended. would be better attended in middle of day. But I see no reason to do either. |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 01 Nov 2017 9:57 a.m. PST |
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Editor in Chief Bill | 01 Nov 2017 11:39 a.m. PST |
Comments attempting to politicize the discussion have been removed. When I attended college, the national anthem was played every morning. Wouldn't that be even more appropriate at a wargaming convention, where the battles are inspired by real men who gave their lives for real causes? Is it too much to ask wargamers to take a moment to reflect on the real casualties of war? |
Flashman14 | 01 Nov 2017 12:00 p.m. PST |
The long historical and pervasive process of conscription detracts from the notion that men died for a cause. Men who volunteered maybe, but in the end men give their lives for their brethren in the ranks. |
GildasFacit | 01 Nov 2017 12:22 p.m. PST |
I think that you overstate the link between wargaming and real war. Very few wargamers I know have any links to the military at all. I can't really see what effect a national anthem has that will make any link between military deaths and games simulating combats that may have been many thousands of years ago or even imaginary. I suppose the anthem has more cultural significance in the US than it does in the UK but still doubt the efficacy of the plan. |
Bellbottom | 01 Nov 2017 12:32 p.m. PST |
People who have lost loved ones in conflict carry their memory in their hearts and 'reflect' on them continually. For the rest of us, official remembrance days give us a time to do that, although I'm sure many wargamers are not so shallow as to not think of those lost on many occasions while playing or researching. The playing of a mere 'tune' doesn't do anything for me, unless of course, it is 'The Last Post' or 'Sunset' |
goragrad | 01 Nov 2017 1:27 p.m. PST |
As noted, I am not sure why an organizer would want to play the anthem at a convention. Even the local clubs 'Veteran Wars' scheduled for the 11th and 12th aren't restricting the games to conflicts that involved America – one of them is a HOTT tourney. At that point, the playing the anthem becomes rather moot. |
TSD101 | 01 Nov 2017 5:27 p.m. PST |
Only if the anthem is Borussia. |
robert piepenbrink | 01 Nov 2017 5:39 p.m. PST |
Hafen, they lied to you. That was the Parade of the Toy Soldiers. Here is the March of the Little Tin Soldiers: YouTube link I play it for troop reviews. |
War Scorpio | 01 Nov 2017 5:59 p.m. PST |
I would like to know what was "snipped" out of Otto's post. Otto, tell us in "code". |
Nick Pasha | 01 Nov 2017 6:20 p.m. PST |
Please, no. Playing the anthem is not as simple as it used to be. Not everyone at the con is an American. I also agree with Rudy. This is a hobby. |
Nick Pasha | 01 Nov 2017 6:28 p.m. PST |
Editor Bill You deleted entries that you feel tried to politicize the issue, but isn't your post about the anthem in college and playing it at conventions to show respect for those people who gave their lives in the battles we model a little political as well. That is the issue at the heart of the controversy. |
War Scorpio | 01 Nov 2017 6:46 p.m. PST |
Nick is correct. The Editor starts this post, pontificates about the cause, and then suppresses the views of TPM'ers. Doesn't seem right. If I went on, I too would be deleted. |
Skeptic | 01 Nov 2017 7:11 p.m. PST |
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Skeptic | 01 Nov 2017 7:14 p.m. PST |
@NP, @WS: "Let a hundred flowers blossom"? |
miniMo | 01 Nov 2017 8:11 p.m. PST |
The question was purely political. Hail Freedonia is the only acceptable choice! YouTube link |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 01 Nov 2017 8:47 p.m. PST |
What,Robert? You're saying youtube is wrong? I cannot believe it! But you are correct, of course. Except that it's "Parade of the Wooden Soldiers" by Jessel. I still like that video,though. Here's a version from a 1928 film (color!): youtu.be/d1l4FryOw3o At least that one got the name right--I noticed many others say "Tin". It's confusing. There's also this well-known toy soldier march: youtu.be/hmSoXMfoLeI But also this one I never heard of: youtu.be/tdEf4bw6L-k And we can't do without Victor Herbert! youtu.be/lUN78LgRfHE Now where did I put those Eurekas?
(^These aren't mine,sad to say. Beautiful though, aren't they?^). |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 01 Nov 2017 9:04 p.m. PST |
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piper909 | 01 Nov 2017 9:14 p.m. PST |
So MANY snips and deleted comments! Is the subject matter of this thread designed to create controversy and bad vibes? Since when is the national anthem (any anthem) a de facto requirement at a game convention? Should we also pledge allegiance to a flag? Kiss the big toe of an effigy of the Leader? Enjoy a Two-Minute Hate? Hail, Freedonia! |
piper909 | 01 Nov 2017 9:19 p.m. PST |
Excuse me while I check out the current Dawghouse kennel…. Quelle suprise!! Only two incarcerated, and neither for this topic, far as I can tell. Che miracolo! |
Winston Smith | 01 Nov 2017 10:53 p.m. PST |
I see no DH icons by anyone's nzme. And I'm too lazy to check all the DELETED for locked accounts. So, to anyone who considers this thread as controversy bait, it didn't work. One would have to be as dumb as Wile E Coyote standing under the giant hammer labeled "TRAP". |
Doctor X | 01 Nov 2017 11:49 p.m. PST |
This topic looks like a CIA memo from the Warren Commission with all the redacted statements. |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 02 Nov 2017 6:03 a.m. PST |
No locked accounts, Winston. Yet. Still early days,though. |
Legion 4 | 02 Nov 2017 8:20 a.m. PST |
Oh ! Like those Wooded Soldiers ! |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 02 Nov 2017 8:40 a.m. PST |
They are lovely, aren't they? They're from a blog by Corporal Trim,a member here,with whom I share a certain literary connection. I haven't seen a post from him in a while,but I hope he won't mind my posting a link: link You can also find more pics of his stuff through a Google Image search for "Eureka Toy Soldiers". |
WaltOHara | 02 Nov 2017 9:49 a.m. PST |
Absolutely not. Let's not polititicize another thing, thank you very much. |
dsfrank | 02 Nov 2017 3:09 p.m. PST |
I don't feel the need for the national anthem to be played at conventions or sporting events – I stand & I served this great country in the Army for nearly 10 yrs to protect the rights of others to speak their minds & protest peacefully – I don't see it as a sign of disrespect for the military, my service, or my country |
Legion 4 | 02 Nov 2017 3:23 p.m. PST |
They are lovely, aren't they? They're classic in look and style ! I served this great country in the Army for nearly 10 yrs to protect the rights of others to speak their minds & protest peacefully – I don't see it as a sign of disrespect for the military, my service, or my country ditto … same-same … |
15th Hussar | 02 Nov 2017 6:25 p.m. PST |
As did I, dsfrank…glad to see someone else who remembers just what we pledged to and served for! 😊 |