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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP30 Oct 2017 5:36 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,

Mycenaean Nobles at the time they wore the Dendra bronze corselet:

1/ Did they have the famous shields of their time, the ‘figure-of-eight' and ‘tower' shield ?

2/ Could they fight on foot with their Dendra bronze corselets ?

3/ Could they fight on foot with their Dendra bronze corselets and ‘figure-of-eight' or ‘tower' shield?

4/ And in their chariots, these Mycenaean Nobles in Dendra bronze corselets could use also in battle the ‘figure-of-eight' or ‘tower' shield ?

Thank you

GurKhan30 Oct 2017 5:49 a.m. PST

1. Unknown.

2. Opinions differ, but the discussion in link using a replica suggests that it was possible.

3. Unknown.

4. "Could", maybe. But the Knossos tablets listing corselets with chariots don't list shields, so even if they could, they probably didn't.

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP30 Oct 2017 6:43 a.m. PST

Hey, thanks for the link,I'm going to read it.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP30 Oct 2017 1:15 p.m. PST

Very interesting all this …

evilgong30 Oct 2017 7:21 p.m. PST

Hi there

1) Most of my 15mm ones do

2) some of my 15mm ones do, mixed into units with others.

3) as above

4) I give all my chariot fighters shields, some slung on backs

Regards

David F Brown

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP31 Oct 2017 12:13 a.m. PST

During the Trojan War, the ‘figure-of-eight' and ‘tower' shield may still be worn, as they are vaguely described, but it had to be rare, ditto for the Dendra bronze corselet, but again, there seems that only Telamonian Aias wears this type of armor completely obsolete.

according to the post-Homeric tradition, he is invulnerable. Quintus of Smyrna notes in Homer's Suite: "The spear (…) does not start the delicate skin, although it strikes it in full swing.

Fate does not want an enemy trait, heavy with sobbing, to be drenched with blood on the battlefield. "

That's why Telamonian Aias wore maybe the Dendra bronze corselet, (according to Peter Connoly who also peeled the iliad …) …

When Akhilleús put it on his sacred armor he tested it :'to see if it allowed his limbs free movement.'

This would be essential for anyone wearing the Dendra bronze corselet, with its cumbersome shoulder guards and girdle plates.

But it would not be necessary if he was wearing the simple corselet of the last Mycenaeans days.

According to the legend Akhilleús could only be wounded in the heel.

The only part of the body left unprotected by the Dendra armor as the back of the lower leg.

The Telamonian Aias was also considered as invulnerable, that's why he wore maybe a Dendra bronze corselet, (Always after Peter Connoly …) …

Are these things sheer coincidence or do they betray traces of a legend far older than the Trojan war ?

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