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El Lobo21 Oct 2017 8:04 a.m. PST

Can anyone supply me with information regarding Spanish artillery train uniforms and equipment colours around 1809.Were mules or Oxen used universally along with civilian drovers,rather than a more structured formal unit? Any info or pictures would be gratefully appreciated.

Prince of Essling Supporting Member of TMP21 Oct 2017 9:49 a.m. PST

On 16 September 1813 5 (later increased to 6) train battalions were formed, each containing 2 artillery train companies and 1 cargo train company. The train company had a strength of 104 (2 officers and 102 men) with 132 mules and 40 horses.
Uniform at

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In 1806 the Royal Artillery was reorganised into 4 field regiments, each of 2 battalions, each of 5 companies. One company of each battalion of the first 3 regiments was horse artillery.
Each horse artillery battery was in theory to be provided with 68 draft horses to pull the 4 x 4-pdr guns and 2 x 6 inch howitzers. No horses were provided for ammunition caissons as they deemed as not needed for training in times of peace, and were to be purchased when war was declared.

As for the foot artillery, they were left at the mercy of civilian contractors and teamsters. Therefore dress them as you will….

keithbarker21 Oct 2017 10:36 a.m. PST

In 1809 the train was all civilian drivers except for the horse artillery. The 1802 regulations state that the train for the horse artillery would have the same basic uniform as the gunners.

To generalise you could say that

* Most of the horse artillery were pulled by horses with military drivers.
* Most of the foot artillery were pulled by mules with civilian drivers.
* Most of the siege artillery and some foot artillery were pulled by oxen with civilian drivers.

Civilian drivers were replaced by artillery train in 1813 but still with mules instead of horses. So use civilians up to and including the campaigns of 1813.

I have collected information about the Spanish army on my web site. More detils there. The artillery is available here…

link

Hope this helps
Keith

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP22 Oct 2017 12:19 p.m. PST

I think you will find the train drivers in the Spanish army at this early period was civilian. A nightmare so really if you place a Panish gun in a game, that is pretty much where it should stay lol

El Lobo23 Oct 2017 10:26 a.m. PST

Thanks all for your help and advice,much appreciated.

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