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Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Oct 2017 3:07 p.m. PST

So my list for WW2 ground combat runs pretty long – almost 200 titles. How many have you heard of?

  • 1944 (WW2)
  • 1944 4th Edition
  • 1944: Combat Shock
  • A Corner of Hell
  • A Sergeant's War
  • Abteilung
  • Abteilung (RFCM)
  • Achtung! Panzer
  • Action All Fronts
  • Advance to Contact
  • Ambush Blitz
  • Angriff Revised & Expanded (1982)
  • Angriff! Attack! 1st Ed.
  • Angriff! Attack! 2nd Ed.
  • Angriff! Attack! 3rd Ed.
  • Arc of Fire
  • Armored Fist
  • Armour Battles
  • At the Sharp End
  • Axis & Allies
  • Baptism of Fire III
  • Batlegroup Panzer Grenadier Deluxe Ed.
  • Battalions In Crisis!
  • Battle Captain
  • Battlefield Evolution: World At War
  • Battlefront
  • Battleground
  • Battlegroup Kursk
  • Battlegroup Panzer Grenadier
  • Battlegroup Panzer Grenadier 2nd ed.
  • Battles With Model Tanks
  • Beer and Pretzel Skirmish (B.A.P.S.) 3.0
  • Blitzkrieg 3rd Ed (French Language)
  • Blitzkrieg Commander
  • Blitzkrieg Commander 2nd. Ed.
  • Blitzkrieg Commander III
  • Blood and Guts
  • Blood, Sweat and Tears
  • Bolt Action
  • Bolt Action 2nd Edition
  • Bronze Star
  • Cashews! (NUTS Variant/House Rules)
  • Chain of Command
  • Clash of Armor
  • Combat Action Command
  • Combat Captain
  • Combat Commander: World War 2 Wargaming Brigade to Divisional Combat
  • Combat HQ
  • Combat Patrol
  • Combined Arms
  • Command Decision 2nd. Ed.
  • Command Decision 3
  • Command Decision: Test of Battle
  • Command Decision: Test of Battle Revised Ed.
  • Company Commander: 20th & 21st Century Skirmish
  • Complete World War Two, The
  • Cross of Iron
  • Crossfire
  • Disposable Heroes
  • Eagles, Crowns & Oak Leaves
  • Face of Battle
  • Fast Rules for Table Top Battles WW2
  • Final Assault
  • Final Combat
  • Fire Brigade
  • Fire! Ogon! Feuer!
  • Fireball Forward
  • Firefly
  • Fireteam: WWII
  • First Watch
  • Five Men At Kursk
  • Flames of War
  • Flames of War 2nd Ed.
  • Flames of War 3rd Ed.
  • Flames of War 4th Ed.
  • Frontline Command: World War II
  • G. I. Commander 1939-1945
  • Great Battles of WWII Vol 1: Canadians in Europe
  • Great Battles of WWII Vol 2: Drop Zone
  • Great Battles of WWII Vol 3: Invasion 40
  • Great Crusade, The Version 3.3 (Limits of Glory System)
  • Grey Storm, Red Steel
  • Guts 'N Glory
  • Hail of Fire
  • Hell and Fateful Decisions
  • I Ain't BeenShot Mum
  • Impact
  • Iron Cross
  • Jagdpanzer
  • Jagdpanzer 2nd Ed
  • Kampfgruppe
  • Kampfgruppe Commander II
  • Kampfgruppe Commander III
  • Kampfgruppe Commander: Clash of Armor II
  • Kampfgruppe Normandy
  • Korps Commander
  • Krieg Ohne Hasse
  • Major Objective
  • Maxim to Minimi
  • Megablitz
  • Mein Panzer
  • Men Under Fire
  • Merrill's Marauders
  • Micro Melee
  • Micro Squad: The 1:1 WWII Game
  • Micro-Warfare
  • MicroArmor: The Game WWII
  • Miniatures In Action Vol. II
  • No Better Place to Die
  • Normandy Firefight
  • Nuts!
  • Nuts! 2nd Edition
  • Nuts! Final Edition
  • Officer's Handbook v1.0
  • On Watch
  • Operation Brevity
  • Operation Squad
  • Operation Warboard
  • Operation Warboard
  • Operation World War II
  • Ostfront
  • Overlord
  • Overwatch
  • Panzer
  • Panzer Kids
  • Panzer Korps
  • Panzer Lehr: Simple Rules for WWII Armor Miniatures 1.0
  • Panzer Marsch
  • Panzer Miniatures Rules
  • Panzer Tactics
  • Panzer War
  • Panzer Warfare
  • Panzerfaust Armored Fist 4th Ed.
  • Panzergranate
  • Panzerknacker
  • PanzerKriegsAcademie
  • Panzertruppe
  • Panzertruppe
  • Patrol WWII: World War II Squad Combat
  • Peter Helm
  • Piquet: Point of Attack
  • Piquet: The Blitzkrieg
  • Point Man
  • Poor Bloody Infantry
  • Poor Bloody Infantry: Company Commander
  • Raging Empires
  • Rapid Fire
  • Rate of Fire
  • Rattenkrieg
  • Rules of Engagement
  • Schwere Kompanie
  • Schwerepunkt: Divisional Level WW2
  • Simple Low-Tech Microarmour Rules
  • Skirmish Action
  • Soldat
  • Some Corner of A Foreign Field WW2
  • Spearhead
  • Special Ops
  • Special Ops Commander
  • Stars and Crosses
  • Steel Tigers (Playtest V 2.3.13)
  • Storm of Steel
  • Storming the Reich
  • Tac: WWII Miniature Rules for Brigade Level
  • Tactical Commander
  • Take Cover
  • Tally Ho!
  • Tank Battles in Miniatures
  • Tank Charts
  • Tank Charts
  • Tank War
  • Tiger
  • Tigers & Stalins
  • Tracks
  • Tractics
  • Treads & Turrets
  • Troops, Weapons & Tactics
  • Under Fire
  • Victory Decision: Raid
  • Victory Decision: World War II
  • War Ain't Fair
  • War Games Rules Armour & Infantry 1925-1950 (June 1973)
  • Wargames Manual
  • Wargames Rules of the Second World War
  • Weltkrieg
  • WFG's Frontline!
  • Where Panzers Dare
  • World War 2 Wargaming (Airfix #15)
  • WRG 1925-1950
  • M-1s and Arisaka's
  • Armoured Strike (WW2? Modern?)
  • Battles With Micro-Tanks

Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2017 3:52 p.m. PST

WOW that's a lot. And still, to my genuine surprise, I can think of a few that are missing….

For all that is wrong with that, I still expect there are more WW2 miniatures gamers than games. I'm pretty sure the opposite is true of Napoleonics. :-)

- Ix

Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2017 3:52 p.m. PST

You don't have Rommel yet?

saltflats192920 Oct 2017 4:45 p.m. PST

I've heard of Chain of Command.

14th NJ Vol Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2017 4:47 p.m. PST

Fist Full of TOWS 3 covers WW2

Dynaman878920 Oct 2017 5:08 p.m. PST

If listing the other two then original Command Decision

RudyNelson20 Oct 2017 6:51 p.m. PST

Back in the late 1970s and 1980s, my group and others used Yaquito 88, Armor and Panzer for micro armor WW2

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2017 7:21 p.m. PST

I have 8 of them I think.

Also seen Advanced Squad Leader played with minis.

whitphoto Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2017 7:56 p.m. PST

I've heard of Chain of Command

Can you use paper terrain with that?

UshCha Supporting Member of TMP21 Oct 2017 1:01 a.m. PST

Maneouuvre Group> There is a Phil barker platoon level game but not sure what it is called.
Newbury had a set of WW2 rules.
Feathersones and Lional Tarrs rules are missing.

Why is Tanlk Charts on twice?

I used to have Micro Armour WW2 big on Percentile die if I remember rightly.

London Wargames section did one 40 years ago, I had a copy. on done on Banda machine.

You picked a HUGE task Have fun ;-).

christot21 Oct 2017 2:12 a.m. PST

Yes, "Newbury Fast-Play rules for WWII"
Legendary…and somewhat in contravention of the trades description act

BattlerBritain21 Oct 2017 2:37 a.m. PST

ASL has been mentioned but also the original Squad Leader?

This list is just for land based games. Imagine if you added Air and Naval games?

MajorB21 Oct 2017 2:38 a.m. PST

I've heard of Chain of Command

Can you use paper terrain with that?

Sure, why not? You can use paper terrain with any set of rules.

Pizzagrenadier21 Oct 2017 2:55 a.m. PST

Disposable Heroes 1st ed. should be listed as Disposable Heroes & Coffin for Seven Brothers. There is a second ed. out now called Disposable Heroes II.

Fred Cartwright21 Oct 2017 6:17 a.m. PST

I don't see Charles Grant's Battle either. The WRG infantry set was called War Games Rules, Infantry Action 1925-1975.

Martin Rapier21 Oct 2017 9:57 a.m. PST

You also missed out DivTac, Lightning War, Skytrex Microarmour and some nameless sets (not sure Lionel Tarrs seminal rules ever actually had a 'name').

Ivan DBA21 Oct 2017 12:39 p.m. PST

One Hour Wargames by Neil Thomas.

peterx Supporting Member of TMP21 Oct 2017 12:45 p.m. PST

lots and lots.

Mobius21 Oct 2017 12:54 p.m. PST

Follow Me! is missing.

RudyNelson21 Oct 2017 3:15 p.m. PST

Back in the 1990s the terrain company who made micro terrain out of resin did a set of rules where each turn was 5 seconds. It took forever to reload. TCI or TCS but I am not sure. Anybody remember the company or rules. On the cover was a guy in a foxhole.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP21 Oct 2017 3:53 p.m. PST

Many of the above listed are not WW2 specific – for example One Hour Wargames, so are no on this list.

I'll add DivTac, Lightning War and Skytrex MicroArmour.

Any others?

The WRG is multi-period so also not on here….

Personal logo brass1 Supporting Member of TMP21 Oct 2017 3:55 p.m. PST

Raging Empires (I'm assuming this is the Kallistra game) is actually WWI and you have Operation Warboard listed twice. A SWAT team from the Department of Trivia Control will be arriving at your residence shortly.

LT

redmist112221 Oct 2017 8:35 p.m. PST

Five men at Kursk, by Nordic Weasel.

P.

Fred Cartwright22 Oct 2017 6:31 a.m. PST

Actually I think the full title of Charles Grant's book/rules was Battle, Practical Wargaming. Will have to find my copy.

thomalley22 Oct 2017 7:02 a.m. PST

Stahhelm (1997)

UshCha Supporting Member of TMP22 Oct 2017 7:19 a.m. PST

Chrisdot,
That's another one. Your "fast Play" got me scrambling for the book shelf. Cambrai to Sinani World War 2 rules, Newbury. Definitely NOT fast Play. I keep it to remind me where excessive rules takes you to. Things have got better since 1983 (it was Second Edition)

Sgt Steiner22 Oct 2017 7:50 a.m. PST

Piquet Field Of Battle WW2
Where The Iron Crosses Grow
WW2 Simplified
Armoured Warfare 1/200th
Blitzspiel
No1 Wargames Command rules for WW2
Berlin or Bust
Tiger Tiger Burning Bright
Military Operations 39 to 45

Glenn Harvey22 Oct 2017 2:08 p.m. PST

Operation Warboard is listed twice…

UshCha Supporting Member of TMP23 Oct 2017 1:14 a.m. PST

Are you going to add to the original list and post it on the Historical Wargames Thread?

blank frank23 Oct 2017 3:40 a.m. PST

Rules for Modern Warfare by Z.M. Iwaszko. Published by the London Wargames Section based on the second issue of 1967 War Game Rules with revisions up to June 1967.

Without these rules there would be no Rapid Fire or Panzer Marsch.

UshCha Supporting Member of TMP23 Oct 2017 4:08 a.m. PST

blank frank, Those are ones I had for years cheap Banda master rules. The Z M Iwaszko name rand the bell.

blank frank24 Oct 2017 2:34 a.m. PST

I bought my set through the then John Tunstill's Miniature Warfare Magazine. There was an abridged set which the London Wargames Section later published spiral bound with a glossy cover and a Tiger tank on. But the full rules ran to some 52 pages with lots of rules on Engineering, Field Hospitals, Helicopters, Logistics etc remarkable for 1967. Surely Z.M. Iwaszko is due for some recognition from the History of Wargming project? He was also known as Bish Iwaszko.

catavar25 Oct 2017 2:19 p.m. PST

Which of the above rules allows a gamer to control a whole (or close to a whole) division and can be played rather quickly?

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2017 5:48 p.m. PST

I find Blitzkrieg Commander works at a nice pace with a player controlling an American Armored Combat Command plus some support companies, or equivalent sized Battlegroup.

That's my preferred game size for WW2.

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