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Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP19 Oct 2017 7:37 a.m. PST

Finally got my 52nd based properly. Completely forgot to put the mounted colonel into the pictures! He will appear when I do finally show the whole of Adam's Brigade (71st, 52nd and 2/3 95th)

Close ups are very unforgiving. I am also learning that photos of models are like basing them. Keep it simple. I took loads of photos with Waterloo re-enactors en masse in the background. The 52nd figures just disappeared into a chaotic splurge.

The figures are fairly standard. Perry metals (Peninsula strictly), Brigade Miniatures, Front Rank, Victrix arms and some conversions of Perry Plastic. Forgive the close ups…I was tempted to Photoshop I admit!

I keep trying to hide the bugler. His right arm is a light dragoon's and it shows. The lace chevrons are upside down therefore and I forgot to shorten the trumpet to bugle size……

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Marcel180919 Oct 2017 7:59 a.m. PST

Superb figures and excellent photo's, they look almost real, such an inspiration. they really make my day, thanks deadhead.

Thomas O19 Oct 2017 8:03 a.m. PST

Very Nice!

ferg98119 Oct 2017 8:13 a.m. PST

Wow

I particularly like the flags.

Great work here

J

attilathepun4719 Oct 2017 9:41 a.m. PST

How about posting this on the Napoleonic Gallery board where it belongs?!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP19 Oct 2017 9:53 a.m. PST

Great thing about crossposting…I did actually post it to the Gallery as well.

I used to have great integrity…for a few months anyway….and only posted to the Gallery. So many folk have told me how they missed things because less visited……

There worse crimes on this forum I suspect…but I do know what you mean!

Even then, surprising how often something like this leads to much discussion in the end. For example, should the Regt flag bear the title "Peninsula"?

Personal logo BrigadeGames Sponsoring Member of TMP19 Oct 2017 9:59 a.m. PST

Nice work.

Ahem ;-)

"Brigade Miniatures"

BrigadeGames Miniatures

We get confused often.

Lon

BrigadeGames.com

Footslogger19 Oct 2017 10:07 a.m. PST

Every bit as good as your rifles.

Deadhead, I know you're primarily a modeller not a gamer, but what you have there is what wargamers call a UNIT that could actually be used in what gamers call a BATTLE –

Are we slowly tempting you over to the dark side?

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP19 Oct 2017 10:21 a.m. PST

Tell the truth, the unit is indeed viable. They now have some skirmishers for each unit also, shown before, plus three guns, one limber and even the Union Brigade.

But they would be plastered by my six Guard cannon and over a hundred Imperial Guard cavalry (not to mention the 40+ cuirassiers)

Guess how many French infantry I have, though. On foot. Guard or Line…on a scale of 0-10. My wife keeps asking me what I intend to do with them all. They are mostly boxed in a dark attic!

and I do apologise yet again. I am a huge fan of BRIGADE GAMES MINIATURES (just how good is the facial expression on the chap next to the shot character?)……..having wronged them for years as being inaccessible in the UK. (next task is to add to their KGL that I showed recently in LHS)

Adam's Brigade is taking shape (71st and 95th are now properly based and flocked);

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Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP19 Oct 2017 11:16 a.m. PST

Lovely work, and incredible photos.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP19 Oct 2017 11:51 a.m. PST

I'm loving the mud bases, gives me a cracking idea for painting my new line of British in Greatcoats….

wrgmr119 Oct 2017 12:18 p.m. PST

Wonderful looking units deadhead! Love the first photographs.
Painting miniatures can be tricky. What looks great at arms length my not look so good at hands length. Also vis versa.
Not to worry excellent work!

Lambert Supporting Member of TMP19 Oct 2017 1:15 p.m. PST

Great stuff, all three units beautifully painted.

von Winterfeldt20 Oct 2017 5:43 a.m. PST

very nice – from where did you obtain the cords and tassels at the colours?

Art20 Oct 2017 6:16 a.m. PST

G'Day Liam

Is it true what I have been told…

your next project is the 2e régiment étranger in 1815 ?

Brilliant choice indeed ;-)

It will be interesting with them in all four facings

Doing either the voltigeur or grenadier compagnie would be your best bet for combining all four facings…

Best Regards
Art

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2017 7:14 a.m. PST

The cords and tassels come with the Victrix plastics. Indeed extremely generously so. 4 to a box. They do "standard" sprues so you get 4 ensigns, four pipers for Highlanders etc….lots of surplus, which annoys some, but really useful for work like this. The tassels for the various officers' light infantry style sashes were robbed from the bagpipes!

The Finials and tassels are very well cast. The musketry is superb quality. Many Victrix faces are dreadful, the limbs are a bit "sturdy" and castings do go wrong in some places eg the waterbottle and the knapsack. The backpacks are best binned although some great detail on them. But you get masses of figures for your money and invaluable for conversion.

My next project? I must add the Perry 2nd KGL to my existing Brigade Games Miniatures, scratch build Baring and repeat the LHS photos.

Then I must do the Perry 2e Eclaireurs and esp the G d'Honneur.

But what about the Black Hussar Saxon cavalry (all of them) and the Gringos40 lancers?

2e regt etranger? The Swiss lads is it not? I was so sure they had blue facings and turnbacks…for years…..Yellow is murder to work with.

Now the Irish in Boney's service……..HMMMM

Art20 Oct 2017 7:42 a.m. PST

G'Day Liam…

then pick your compagnie ;-)

1er compagnie was from the 1er regiment
2e compagnie was from the 2e regiment
3e compagnie was from the 3e regiment
4e compagnie was from the 4e regiment

voltigeurs and grenadiers from all 4 regiments – ou mélange de salad ;-)

Yet with that said…the voltigeurs and grenadiers may have had the pleasure of being given the uniforms of the 1er regiment…maybe…at least mine are ;-)

Best Regards
Art

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2017 8:25 a.m. PST

I see what you mean.

Well once I thought they wore dark blue facings (Blame Haythornthwaite).

Then I was sure Yellow (Blame MT ST Jean site)

Now I see what you mean about possibly different regt colours for each centre company. Could be very colourful. Have you ever shown them here?

I did once create Neufchatel infantry, the Canaries, from Hinchliffe….mid 70s that was! An easier yellow though…..

Art20 Oct 2017 8:56 a.m. PST

G'Day Liam…

I just recently had them shipped off to a professional painter…

I put the figures for each compagnie in a separate plastic bag…with instructions for each compagnie ;-)

Since the colonel baron Augustin-Eugen Stöffel, commanding the regiment was originally from the 4e regiment…I have him in the uniform of the 4e regiment. -my choice…not based on anything in regards to documentation…

Best Regards
Art

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2017 10:45 a.m. PST

Now these will be worth a photo.

My Mrs dreams of a professional painter. She would get taken out at nights in an LBD

If I was working in the US I could employ three or four of them (I know, I did have six months experience in U of Michigan). Working for our NHS full time…..the guy with the paint brush is me.

If you do post…..

Obviously only on the Gallery…..lest you get grief (not unreasonably……I admit it!)

Markconz20 Oct 2017 1:24 p.m. PST

Beautiful work Liam, terrific all round!

archiduque21 Oct 2017 7:37 a.m. PST

Great stuff!!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP21 Oct 2017 8:03 a.m. PST

Many thanks all, once more.

Archiduque, I was helped by the ideas in a certain book about painting French Napoleonic Figures…….now who wrote that? I really cannot remember…..if I do recall it, I would recommend it to you.

Supercilius Maximus In the TMP Dawghouse21 Oct 2017 9:57 a.m. PST

If you want info on the 2eme Etranger/Suisse, there is a thread on here from 2-3 years back in which a French member sent me some info on who wore which uniform.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP21 Oct 2017 10:08 a.m. PST

I actually tried to find that after Art's message. I do recall it was very detailed and well illustrated.

If you do have the link…….yes please

Art21 Oct 2017 10:28 a.m. PST

G'Day Gents

this is the link we used to determine what the 2 Etranger actually wore

TMP link

Here is the link for the book that Sasha gave

Histoire des troupes suisses au service de France sous le règne de Napoléon Ier

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Best Regards
Art

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP22 Oct 2017 12:13 a.m. PST

Great help.

Frankly I also think this does go some way to justify my putting a bunch of pictures onto "Discussion". (Some way anyway)

We have gone right off the original topic. There has been a totally free ranging "discussion" and some invaluable information has resulted from it all.

Again…many thanks

rob polymathsw23 Oct 2017 6:13 a.m. PST

Really nice painting. I think the close ups show your brushwork well. :D

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP23 Oct 2017 8:56 a.m. PST

Cheers. You want real close ups? These were better (from Front Rank) and I showed them earlier. I have four 52nd and eight 71st skirmishers and more 95th than I can count!

The castings do take some beating and the newer "Reinforcement packs" are less stout chaps. Still beefy for Light infantry though!

I did not know about browning the barrel for LI back then!

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Van Damme25 Oct 2017 11:25 a.m. PST

@Deadhead,

Great painting job on the 52nd. Love the composition and the conversions. Could you give more detail on them ? Which figures did you use for the ensigns and officers (other than the front rank ones)?

archiduque26 Oct 2017 4:35 a.m. PST

Excellent work my friend!!!


Rafa

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP26 Oct 2017 8:50 a.m. PST

Van Damme apologies, meant to respond sooner and attach a close up photo. The occifers are two Front Rank figures. The poor wounded chap sitting is from the Perry "special" of a cuirassier seizing a KGL colour. I added some Light Infantry officer wings and tassels for a LI occifer's sash. Finally there is a plastic Perry line officer, but with Victrix Flank Company wings.

I have done but not yet shown a mounted colonel, which is just from the standard Perry LI colonel set.

Rafa, many thanks. Coming from you…that means a lot!

I now see my early 52nd (the skirmishers) had not just unbrowned barrels but silver cap badges too…oh dear….

von Winterfeldt27 Oct 2017 3:31 a.m. PST

"I now see my early 52nd (the skirmishers) had not just unbrowned barrels but silver cap badges too…oh dear…."

About browned musket barrels, I don't know if 52nd had them, I know only for 71st due to Henry Clinton's inspection report.

I recommend – as a sort of must read – The Correspondence of Sir Henry Clinton in the Waterloo Campaign, edited by Gareth Glover, two volumes – to find out about the quality and out look of British, KGL, Hannoverian and Belgian regiments.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP27 Oct 2017 4:15 a.m. PST

many thanks. Glover's "Waterloo; the Defeat of Napoleon's Imperial Guard" is also really good on Clinton and a great read despite the daft subtitle.

Browned barrels seems to be a Light Infantry Regt/Rifles feature in general….with definite rules about which bits to brown and which not!

von Winterfeldt27 Oct 2017 5:01 a.m. PST

yes the subtitle is daft but a very good read

Van Damme28 Oct 2017 9:02 a.m. PST

Thanks deadhead. I'm finding it hard to find LI figures in 28mm (Other then Perry min running at trial) and officers for poses like firing line and marching. I ordered some Brigadegame figs yesterday and looking forward to see what they like. Love the look of your LI unit firing line. Any more pics available?
Regards

Marc at work29 Oct 2017 1:03 a.m. PST

Liam, taking the missus out in her LBD – LamBorghini Diablo…

You Doctors and your wealth grin – must get you to convince my son to work in the States

Lovely work as always. Wrong scale of course, it nobody's perfect. Really looking forward to seeing your Swiss. Sadly mine are all in blue facings (yes, I blame Haythornwaite)

Marc

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP29 Oct 2017 1:35 a.m. PST

Poor, retired, but still working part time and purely NHS since 2003! Have to work overtime to buy any Perry figures.

Love the LBD gag.

van Damme, we had a recent thread about finding skirmishers and esp Light infantry. See Cerdic's link especially

TMP link

Funny thing…..most ranges can be mixed, if you are careful and do not put contrasting figures too close together. I spent ages arranging these in order of size.

Front Rank are no taller, but MUCH stouter and chunkier than any other range. Victrix Plastics are big lads and I think best used for conversions as some castings are superb….some very poor. Then comes the recent Perry Light Infantry metals intended for the Peninsula. Then comes the plastic Perrys, all same height but getting more slender (and accurately so!). Much conversion needed. Again take off the cap plate or buy loads of Perry Rifle sprues for the caps. Snag is still to add wings to shoulders and officers sashes different etc….


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Finally, in my ranges anyway, the Brigade Games Miniatures (superb facial castings and detail on coats) which are much slimmer than any, but same height once more. Of their entire range of LI only one figure really is too small….and that is that blond chap leading the 95th who curiously wears French Dragoon overalls and carries a British Heavy cavalry sabre.

The ideal BGM figures are actually light company of a line unit for the Peninsula (BGNBR 008….cannot copy the image alas to show you, but six variants). The only conversion is five seconds with a file to remove the shako plate (always assuming the Light Infantry still kept the stovepipe shape for 1815 of course). I did add Perry plastic backpacks to them but must wonder if they would be carried, fighting in line, even less if skirmishing!

I do plan today to photo the whole Brigade………

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP29 Oct 2017 5:29 a.m. PST

put the Brigade onto Gallery (and Gallery only…trying to be good)

TMP link

Van Damme29 Oct 2017 9:15 a.m. PST

Thanks again deadhead,

Looks like perry peninsula and BGM are the choice, other then some conversions, maybe some Foundry B021 Early Line Infantry Flank Company Kneeling and B019 Early Line Infantry Flank Company Firing? After all they are pre-perry sculpts and should fit with PM. Other then the shako plate, need they anything more to convert to 52nd light?
Regards

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP29 Oct 2017 9:33 a.m. PST

Nope, far as I can tell flank Light Company and true Light Infantry Regts are almost indistinguishable. Wings on the shoulders is the main thing. Cap badges can be an issue but easily fixed. Many an ordinary Line flank company Belgic Shako had a bugle badge on the front instead of the regt plate, for the Light Company and (perish the thought) even much to suggest that, by 1815, the Belgic shako was worn by Light regts anyway and even by Rifles!!!!!!!!!

But I absolutely refuse to consider that, sheer heresy.

Do show whatever you produce in the end. Does not have to be Robert Capa standard of photography. The Gallery is strangely overlooked by other than model/miniature manufacturers.

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