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Quadratus08 Oct 2017 3:46 p.m. PST

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I just bought this product and applied it to several of my Massive Darkness figures. The first batch I put it on slightly too heavy so I read that I should wipe off the excess from raised areas.

As I started to do this with my wizard I noticed what seemed like the paint being peel off in places.

I was wiping the high areas as I applied so I was doing this within a 30 second to 1 minute window.

I feel terrible. This paint cost upwards of $20 USD and I am afraid to destroy my minis if this could happen.

Any one know of this? or what i should do?

Grumpy Monkey08 Oct 2017 4:16 p.m. PST

I have never had this happen, very strange.

I usually absorb the excess with a brush rather than wiping it off with cloth though.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 4:32 p.m. PST

Were you using the cans of Quick Shade, which are a mineral spirits clean up, or the little bottles, which are a water clean-up?

I seem to recall something similar with mineral spirits paints over a casting painted with acrylics. (Can't be dead sure: it's been better than 30 years.)

Anyway, I habitually run bottle (acrylic) Quick Shade over troops painted with acrylics and have had no difficulties. Excess has been cleaned off with brush or dabbing with a paper towel, though: no cloth.

Quadratus08 Oct 2017 4:53 p.m. PST

I was using the brush to wipe off excess. it was the quick shade from a can which is like a laquer or varnish.

I think I figured out what happened.

I used a brush to apply the quick shade last night.

I cleaned it with a mineral spirits (or turpentine) to remove the quickshade and then dried it

The brush may have had residue of that turpentine in it that reacted with the paint

:(

Costly lesson. Hopefully this helps others not to make the same mistake.. .

Henry Martini08 Oct 2017 5:33 p.m. PST

I think you might be confusing two different processes:

It's the excess quickshade pooling in recesses and at the lower edge of clothing that you need to remove. To do so all you have to do is lightly contact the area with a dry brush or tissue and it will soak it up.

Running a brush over the high points of the detail is a simple, universal way of creating highlights without having to apply any paint. It only works if you've followed the advice of the manufacturer and block painted with light, bright shades of your chosen colours; effectively the shade you would have highlighted with if layer painting. You should use a small brush dampened with turps or white spirits and just lightly run it once along the area you want to highlight. Having too much thinners on the brush, or unnecessary repeated brush strokes, can cause acrylic paint to lift.

IronDuke596 Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 7:01 p.m. PST

I think you have solved part your problem; ie you still had solvent on your brush. I only use the solvent (turpentine for me) to clean up afterwards and put it away. I never use it during the application of the QS. Too risky.

Another issue that can cause a similar problem is not letting the paint dry long enough, particualry the metalic colors. I usually wait at least 72 hours and more often a week before I apply the QS with a soft brush.

It is good of you to bring your mistake to TMP for the benefit of others.

BTW QS is a great product.

repaint09 Oct 2017 4:36 a.m. PST

Did you wash your miniatures with dish soap before painting them?

Quadratus09 Oct 2017 5:47 a.m. PST

I did not wash my miniatures with dish soap. I never have in 15+ years of painting

wakenney09 Oct 2017 7:00 a.m. PST

The MD minis from CMON have a slick feel to me, indicating that they used a LOT of release agent on them in the molds. I would highly recommend washing.

Also, the army painter dips can easily dissolve paints. There is no reason that the medium in the lacquer could not eat into and weaken the underlying paints as it dries. I've never heard of anyone brushing off the excess before. Most uses I've seen are people shaking off the excess or using a q-tip or sponge to dab it off.

WarWizard09 Oct 2017 7:37 a.m. PST

I just used some Army Painter Strong Shade this weekend.
Sometime I apply matte varnish to figures fist, sometimes not.
I brush on the quick shade. This can I used this weekend had been sitting unused for a good 6 months. Almost had to blast open the lid. But once opened, stirred very well, had not ill effects after applying. Worked good as usual. After I applied Testors DullCote to remove the shine. Again no problems.
Here is what I suggest.
1. Always stir well before applying the quick shade.
2. Always use clean brush if possible for best results.

ordinarybass09 Oct 2017 7:42 a.m. PST

Quadratus
Glad you figured it out.

Wakenny,
I always use a brush to remove the excess (though I use Minwax Antique Walnut). It's super easy, more accurate than a sponge and doesnt' risk getting any paper or cotton bits on the figure. I've done this for hundreds of miniatures. After every 5th mini or so I go back and dab away the dip from those figs with a cheap craft brush.

The only paint I've ever seen dip damage is very light highlights, but if you're doing light layerd highlights, then the dip probably isnt' the technique for you anyway. I've never had any weakening of paint via dip. In fact, the polyurethane layer that it creates over the miniature makes dipped figures some of the sturdiest-painted miniatures you can own.

wrgmr109 Oct 2017 9:24 a.m. PST

I spray on a gloss coat before any wash. This allows the wash to settle into the creases and folds. It also will not peel the acrylic paint when you are wiping or brushing off the excess. However I use a water based ink or paint for the wash.

DeRuyter Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 10:20 a.m. PST

I use the bottled acrylic version as well as the Valejo washes which avoids these problems. Works just as well and is cheaper too.

Quadratus09 Oct 2017 8:16 p.m. PST

I tried to repair it without stripping. It took paint pretty well and didn't show any kind of divots or depressions where the paint had originally worn away.

I still need to highlight him and matte finish him to take the shine away but I am happy with how he looks.

I also put the same quick shade on a dozen or so dwarfs with no issue of the paint stripping off. I rubbed off the excess with the brush (brand new and clean of any solvents)

I learned my lesson. Thanks for all the input ( I soaped up and rinsed the next batch before I primed them and I'll see if that helps) and I hope that this helps others not suffer the way i did ;)

Quadratus09 Oct 2017 8:16 p.m. PST

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