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kallman08 Oct 2017 12:51 p.m. PST

I had to post this again due to the TMP bug.

I posted a similar thread by accident on the Terrain Board, never post late at night when you are tired.

Anyway, looooog ago in earlier iterations of the Grim Dark future of 40K (was that statement an Oxymoron?) I recall that Space Orks could be possessed by chaos demons and or there were warbands that followed Chaos. I think perhaps the Flash Gits were an example. I also recall a graphic novel that involved the Blood Angels on a redemption quest and along the way they encountered an Ork Space Hulk and the Warboss was possessed by a greater demon.

The reason I ask is I have about two sets worth of the old Black Reach Pass 40K starter set (which edition was that?) So something in the area of about 40 or more models of Boyz, Nobs, Warboss and six DeathKopptas. While I do not want to necessarly collect an all out force of Orks (at least not right now) I would like to paint these up and perhaps run them as an allied faction (i.e. detachment) to my Chaos Space Marine World Eaters and Black Legion.

What do you think and does the current fluff and more importantly the rules in 8th support such a notion? I realize it is my minis and my game and when playing with my son or other close friends this is not an issue. But I go to my FLGS will this raise eyebrows?

Thanks and let's have a fun discussion.


Moonbeast Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 1:12 p.m. PST

There were Khorne Stormboyz in the past, the new Death Guard codex has a story about Nurgle plague infected Orks that ate both the living and dead on the battle field until they almost couldn't move, when killed they burst open and Nurglings would come pouring out of the corpses. I'd just use them as counts as Pox Walkers/Plague zombies or Chaos Cultists. Of course there is nothing preventing you from taking them as allies, your army just won't be battleforged.

roving bandit08 Oct 2017 4:22 p.m. PST

Yeah, I am not 100% clear on 40K's alliance rules. For GW I mainly play Age of Sigmar. Under the new General's Handbook for that game, you are allowed up to 500 points of allies that don't count against your armies allegiance. I don't know if 40K is the same, but I bet they will allow that at some point if they don't already.

I used to run Chaos Orks in 5th or 6th (I can't remember) using the Ork Codex, Chaos Codex, and rules in the back of the Daemonhunter codex. I had orks in all sorts of skin colors and a converted Warboss bursting at the seams with a daemon coming through.

nsolomon9908 Oct 2017 7:13 p.m. PST

I can't see why not Orks are into war, destruction and violence, in no particular order. Its their whole existence and what they live for. They actually grow larger the more they fight and the pursuit of military strength and opportunities for battle drive the whole structure of their society.

Now, put on a Chaos hat for a moment … hmmmmm … what does that sound like!

And in 8th Edition a large unit of Ork Boyz, with a Waaagh! Banner nearby is a pretty lethal hand-to-hand nightmare and great value for points! I'm yet to lose a battle with an all Ork force.

The H Man09 Oct 2017 1:10 a.m. PST

Allies sounds most reasonable. Or as cultists or use nobs in Armour as marines.

If humans can follow chaos, why not orcs, elder, tau even nids?

kallman09 Oct 2017 8:58 a.m. PST

Not sure if fluff wise the 'Nids have the right psychology to be a potential convert of Chaos. However, waaaaay back when the Gene Stealer Cult was introduced in White Dwarf there was a follow up article and army list of a Gene Stealer Chaos Cult list which made sense considering you have human psykers as part of that force.

The Eldar entire way of life is a result of their fall and the creation of Slaneesh. The Eldar actively seek to avoid the trap of Chaos. Yet, somewhere in the vast darkness of the 40K universe there might be a renegade warband of Chaos worshiping Eldar. At one time the Dark Eldar were considered a part of Chaos which now the fluff has shifted on that issue.I don't buy it. The Dark Eldar (Druchii sp?) are clearly still following a decadent path and that is Slaneesh no matter how you try to say otherwise.

Tau? Nope. Don't see it. Not if you go with the fluff in how having psykers and access to the warp is part of what can manifest the forces of Chaos. The Tau are perhaps the least likely to have a Chaos connection.

Counter arguments anyone?

Moonbeast Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 10:42 a.m. PST

"Tau? Nope. Don't see it. Not if you go with the fluff in how having psykers and access to the warp is part of what can manifest the forces of Chaos. The Tau are perhaps the least likely to have a Chaos connection."

Two words: Farsight's Dawnblade.:)

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa10 Oct 2017 11:22 a.m. PST

IIRC in the fluff Genestealer cults only cut a deal with Chaos if things were going badly for them… I think you could use them as allies? There were also rules for Ork Genestealer cults!

I thought Tau were supposed to be sort of Chaos resistant (the suggestion being they were somebodies deliberate creation), the only truly Chaos immune being Necrons (is the whole War in Heaven stuff even still current)? As for Dark Eldar, like their WFB equivalents, they always seemed to be a bit fuzzy as too their actual allegiance. Though I can understand GW's desire to do a bit of ret-conning vis-a-vie Slannesh. As far as the original Eldar fluff went way back when, and later iterations – before it got all humans from the distant future, the whole thing with bloody-handed Khaine seemed to be seriously flirting with Khorne and there were some suggestion of 'darker paths' Eldar could walk to do with the Crone.

kallman10 Oct 2017 7:05 p.m. PST

Now I want to paint up some Eldar with chaos icons and such. Hmm…where did I put those old Jess Godwin models???

ROU, yes, as I recall as well the Gene Stealer Cult would align with Chaos in order to save their cabal if they were discovered and help was not forth coming from the hive fleet.

And yes there was a brief article long ago in White Dwarf with an Ork Genestealer Cult. I think there was one model sculpted of an Ork/Genestealer hybrid.

Personal logo Thomas Whitten Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2017 9:56 a.m. PST

I seem to remember chaos Orks back in the day. I can't say if any in the current version of the background would worship them or not. Still, you have a vision, go with it. Or say they are mercenaries. That could work too. As for in-store gamers, I'm guessing it would raise eyebrows and most would approve.

More on the background, Are Gork and Mork chaos entities? I thought they were. At one point I think it was mentioned there were more warp powers than just the big 4. And so we have Mork and Gork, Khaine, and Khorne all being associated with violence but with perhaps subtle distinctions. Khorne being hateful, Khaine being vengeful, and the Ork gods being playfully and violently absurd.

*Dawnblade wasn't that of necron/cTan origin?

kallman11 Oct 2017 10:19 a.m. PST

Regarding Commander Farsight's Dawnblade I found this on the Lexicanum;

"The Dawn Blade is a weapon wielded by Commander Farsight of the Tau. He found it in a mysterious temple on the world of Arthas Moloch, using it to fight creatures that were almost certainly Chaos Daemons.[2] It flickers with unknown energy and when he swings it, sharp enough to cut through rock, it cuts a swathe easily through most enemies and armored vehicles.[1] Unknown to its wielder its blade is made from chronophagic alloys which add a slain foe's remaining natural lifespan to that of its owners. This is the secret of Farsight's remarkable longevity, which has spanned to over three centuries."

That sounds to me like a Chaos weapon to me except for what the heck are chronophagic alloys? Is that a Necron thing?

Personal logo Thomas Whitten Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2017 11:11 a.m. PST

A White Dwarf article from years ago had an article with different speculations about the source of the Dawn Blade. One of the varied speculations had the Necrons as the source.

A very similar article to yours link has this addition.

"The Dawn Blade is older than even the Imperium of Man, and it was fashioned aeons ago by the strange xenos race that once inhabited the haunted world of its origin."

So that is what makes me lean toward Necrons. And I always liked that Necron angle. Still, I am happy with it as a mystery.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa11 Oct 2017 11:43 a.m. PST

Orks and gretchin, and ogryn, could also be included in the Chaos Warband army list published in WD and were included in the random follower lists for Chaos champions in Realm of Chaos and Lost and the Damned. Though in the LatD the emphasis is on Orks as Freebooters rather than as chaos worshippers themselves. The Waagh the Orks source book, also around the same time, certainly painted 'Chaos' with Orks in the form of Stormboyz as something like an adolescent phase they'd grow out of…

The H Man11 Oct 2017 2:53 p.m. PST

I can't see why nids could not follow or at least be influenced by chaos.

They have the hive mind control. But this fails continually as synapse creatures are killed or ships destroyed.

They are animals. So are farm animals but fantasy had no issue with them coming into chaos control and walking around. There were even beast men in 40k chaos armies.

If you can be killed by a demonic power or weapon, you have no immunity to chaos.

As for Tau. Same deal. They are alive, they can be tainted. Double for kroot.

p's. Necrons perhaps could also as are not most chaos tanks and the like possessed?

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