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COMMODORE LMV06 Oct 2017 12:48 p.m. PST

My opinion. The last Star Wars movie (Force Awakens) was horrendous it was more of remake than a continuation of a beloved piece of Sci-Fi Americana that has a well developed canon. I thought it was sooo forced and contrived.
I can't blame Disney, because, in my opinion Rogue One is the best Star Wars Film. It was dark, it followed the canon, it had beloved characters (even if they were dead). AND! because finally we had Darth Vader in the suit kicking butt! I would have paid $20 USD just to watch Vader hacking away with lightsaber and force choke anybody; rebels, droids, bounty hunters, democrats, soccer fans anybody! Thank you Mickey!

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 1:10 p.m. PST

I stopped watching Star Wars after the first trilogy.

Garand06 Oct 2017 1:29 p.m. PST

I thought The Force Awakens was fine. No not as good as Rogue One, but still good. I'd rank it above Jedi, but under ANH & Empire.

Damon.

Personal logo herkybird Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 1:43 p.m. PST

I liked TFA, I do admit to getting bored with the constant assertion that it was just a remake of 'A New Hope', there was a lot more different than the same!

Celtofkernow06 Oct 2017 1:46 p.m. PST

I'd have to say Force Awakens was very mediocre. Story was lacking and character seemed un-interesting with no depth, with a forced story. Visually it looked great though.

But i'd have to say Rogue One has been my favorite of them all! Even though the out-come of the story was known, the story was well told, the characters had great depth and feeling. It felt gritty, visually looked great with some great throwbacks to the original movies. I even liked the cgi Tarkin, though the cgi stood out, i think it was done exceptionally well. For me this brought the old spark back for the movies and i hope will be the level on which the next movies will be done at.

Cheers
Celtok

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 1:58 p.m. PST

I regard Rogue One as the best since the original trilogy, but that's a pretty low bar. By all the rules of melodrama, (a) characters dying to atone for their evil deeds need to have done those evil deeds on screen, and (b) if the good guys die at the end, their death has to be necessary and chosen--not just "everyone died because the ships which could have picked them up didn't arrive in time." The thing also cried out for a speech about why the Rebellion was worth fighting and dying for, which somehow no one made. See the John Wayne Alamo on these last two points.

As for TFA, Abrams doesn't actually tell stories: he makes set-ups for later movies. Sometimes, his trailers are a couple of hours long but that doesn't make them real movies. Yes, it looked great. The saying is "when old directors die, they become cameramen." Kubrik's Barry Lyndon is the proof. It looked as good as anything I have ever seen on film. Probably as good as anything I ever will see. It just wasn't a movie. Same thing here.

boy wundyr x Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 1:58 p.m. PST

I liked TFA too, not as good as Rogue one, but on par with RotJ, and superior to Episodes 1-3.

I thought Vader was off in Rogue One though, something in the body shape was different and JEJ rushed his speaking.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 2:23 p.m. PST

Liked Force awakens and Rogue one and hyped for Last Jedi. I think they've really captured the feel of the Original film.

Earl of the North06 Oct 2017 2:40 p.m. PST

TFA was okay, thankfully Rogue One came along proving that Disney can make a good Star Wars movie.

TFA did feel like they had taken the new hope movie and rebooted it rather than come up with their own story, but it was enjoyable enough that I'm waiting for the next one.

KPinder06 Oct 2017 2:50 p.m. PST

The Star Wars Saga was/is/and will for years to come be the watershed mythos of our time, from the opening crawl right up to the line,…

"Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

From that line, on thru the prequels, TFA and Rogue 1 have all been a long, stanky, rippling, bean farts.

IMHO.

ordinarybass Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 2:57 p.m. PST

Love Original Trilogy.
Don't like Prequels
Like Clone Wars Cartoon
Love Rogue 1
Love Love Force Awakens

Captain Gideon06 Oct 2017 2:58 p.m. PST

For myself I like the new trilogy and take it as-is but then I like ALL the Star Wars films including the prequels.

mwindsorfw Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 3:32 p.m. PST

LAST MOVIE SPOILER ALERT – if you can have such a thing at this point


The last movie should have been called, "Everyone dies in the end."

Tgunner Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 3:46 p.m. PST

The Celt hit it on the head for me. I loved Rogue One, TFA was pretty "Meh" to me. Not bad, but not great either.

Dynaman878906 Oct 2017 5:21 p.m. PST

TFA was better then all but the first two movies, I enjoyed myself throughout the show and watch it on occasion. Can't ask for more really since NO film is going to take the place of the original Star Wars for me – before I saw it I shrugged my shoulders and said "just another stupid scifi movie". After I saw it I was a Star Wars junky – just bought a Star Wars shirt at Disney Springs made to look like it was one of the originals from 77, I love it.

catavar06 Oct 2017 7:03 p.m. PST

Enjoyed the 1st 3 movies. Not a big fan of the next 3, but TFA brought me back to the fold! Rogue's ending left me feeling bummed out. Hope the next lives up to expectations.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 7:35 p.m. PST

If there's a "new" Star Wars trilogy, we've only seen one so far, so it's hard to make a judgment. It does seem rather derivative.

Harrison Ford had been saying for years that for consistent mythology reasons, Han Solo needed to die. He was right, and finally someone listened.
Lucas may have read Campbell, but he didn't get it.

But I agree with the above. Rogue One is one of the best in the franchise. Heroes we liked HAD TO DIE, or it would be cheapening the value of heroes.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 7:45 p.m. PST

"The thing also cried out for a speech about why the Rebellion was worth fighting and dying for, which somehow no one made.

I have to agree. In the original Star Wars, Luke says, "Of course I hate the Empire", yet he still wants to go to the Academy. ????
And then Qi Gon says "We're not here to free slaves." Then what good are they?

The series BADLY needs to explain why we should root against stable government. grin
V1 gives a very good example of why the Old Republic sucks. Why should anyone support it?
You end up looking like Emperor Claudius, whose support for the Republic seems based on nostalgia at best.

Can we admit that Lucas could be incoherent? And that the story had to be pried out of his fingers and given to someone else? Even if it is…..

basileus6606 Oct 2017 8:32 p.m. PST

I am in the minority here, then. I didn't like Rogue One. It was boring as hell. When the main characters died I was so bored by then that I didn't care. My only thought was 'at last!' The best part of the movie were the 20-odd seconds of Darth Vader being badass in the corridor. The rest? Meh.

TFA was not as mediocre as Rogue One, but not for much.

So far I am less than impressed with the last installments of the franchise.

Sergeant Paper06 Oct 2017 8:59 p.m. PST

Didn't like Rogue One at all, didn't like some of TFA (the whiny angsty villain and the 'whose side am I on' character) but overall enjoyed it, not sure the Last Jedi will be worth watching.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2017 9:25 p.m. PST

If TLJ screws the pooch and is not well regarded, will "they" press on and finish Ep IX?
Of course they will, if it's making money.

Personal logo Landorl Supporting Member of TMP07 Oct 2017 2:41 a.m. PST

I don't know if you can say you like the trilogy after only one movie…

USAFpilot07 Oct 2017 12:54 p.m. PST

The best: episodes 4,5,6

The worst: episodes 1,2,3

So I had very low expectations going into Force Awakens and Rogue One. Of those two I liked Rogue One better.

The entire Star Wars movie saga proves that more sophisticated special effects going into the future of film making still doesn't trump a well written screen play.

TNE230007 Oct 2017 3:54 p.m. PST

there is only 1 Star Wars movie

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 1:48 a.m. PST

The Force Awakens is a quintessential example of a "Requel"

It's a nostalgia-driven remake that takes the advantage of 21st century special effects technology and advanced script writing techniques to create a movie that is presented as a sequel, yet is more or less identical to the original, if only heavily jazzed up.

DOUGKL08 Oct 2017 8:41 a.m. PST

Liked Rogue One. Fell asleep during The Force Awakens. Nuff said.

Ghostrunner09 Oct 2017 11:51 a.m. PST

Ask me again after that first Porg waddles onto the screen…

Vincent Solfronk09 Oct 2017 1:01 p.m. PST

TFA was an incoherent mess. Rogue One was a good storyline, although I don't think that the heroes had to die. It was interesting seeing Vader using the Force in a very offensive and devastating way.

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 1:46 p.m. PST

Very disappointed with The Force Awakens. Just a re-make of A New Hope, but not nearly as good. Liked Rogue One a lot.

surdu2005 Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 3:39 p.m. PST

Can we find something to drive a story other than a bigger version of the Death Star? Please?

And will Like become Yoda in a remake of The Empire Strikes back? I sure hope they keep both Lucas and Abrams' away from the rest of the Star Wars movies.

I am a huge fan of Clone Wars and Rebels.

Personal logo War Panda Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 4:21 p.m. PST

I loved Rogue One.

I fairly enjoyed TFA although it felt like watching a remake. I also didn't like the main villain who seemed like Darth Vader's daughter. But my expectations were not high after the prequels from Hell.

billthecat10 Oct 2017 3:20 p.m. PST

The Force Awakens is garbage.
Rogue One is even worse.

Ever since 1977 it has been a downhill ride of variable velocity.

Nevertheless, rational debate is out the window with fandom, nostalgia, and many millions of dollars. So it goes.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa11 Oct 2017 12:05 p.m. PST

Stars Wars is great film, but arguably a less than stellar piece of script writing, awash with what even by that point would have been considered clichés of science fiction writing. Basically it put a descent bit of well made Space Opera on the big screen for the first time. ESB better script with a bit Greek familial tragedy thrown at it. RotJ okay, but arguably re-treads SW and wraps everything up neatly enough for the moment.

TPM, AotC and RotS, kids film, stuff blowing up, and stuff blowing up with some, terribly wooden, character development and the entire Jedi order apparently failing to work out what Palpatine was! Still all watchable and at least kind of explain the run up to SW. Even with some the fairly jarring inconsistencies between the two trilogies.

Haven't seen Clone Wars, but Rebels is pretty good.

TFA, essentially a re-make of SW, with enough new bits and pieces to make it watchable, but bearing in mind it was probably aimed not at old fans but new ones! The script probably does more than SW in terms of character and storyline development, and at least competently so, though that perhaps depends whether some of the loose ends, improbabilities and inconsistencies are actually deliberate! But frankly it was never going to win any script writing awards.

Rogue One, really good, but arguably made for fans who were kids when the first ones came out – hence all the morally ambiguous stuff.

TLJ, guess we'll see, Luke's clearly had a rather large personal existential crisis and is clearly spooked by Rey's Mary Sue'ness, Ben's parental issues are clearly way out of hand, and does Rey go a bit dark side? Well may be the prophesy about the Jedi who will unify the force wasn't fulfilled by Anakin/Vader?

Andy Skinner Supporting Member of TMP12 Oct 2017 11:45 a.m. PST

I loved the original Star Wars movies, and Lucas beat it out of me with the prequels. I did like seeing the Jedi as much more powerful than Kenobi had seemed, and cool light saber fights, etc, but I agree they didn't seem wise or good.

I have almost forgotten TFA. I'm sick of whiny characters (this bad guy wasn't quite as bad as Anakin), but it was OK. It had too many moments trying to make us feel something about old characters. I don't want to stew in nostalgia, I want a new story!

But Rogue One was the first movie since originals where I walked out thinking that I love Star Wars. It felt right.

andy

Dezmond12 Oct 2017 3:24 p.m. PST

Feminism, Social Justice *and* pay to win microtransactions!

What's not to love about Disney era Star Wars?

https://youtu.be/ne4CnyNW9O4

Personal logo herkybird Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2017 12:34 a.m. PST

If you haven't seen them, watch Star Wars: Clone Wars (The animation improves a lot as the series progressed) – and Star Wars: Rebels – which is Excellent.

SouthernPhantom13 Oct 2017 3:44 p.m. PST

I enjoyed Rogue One. It was a very different take on the universe, much more in line with what shows up in the (good) old Expanded Universe novels.

I sort of mentally stuffed TFA in the circular file. Nice film-making technique that did a good job mimicking the look of the original trilogy, but the story and design were disappointing at best.

awalesII20 Oct 2017 1:37 p.m. PST

The original trilogy has the nuts. Loved everything including the Ewoks. I was 9 with RoJ came out; it's been grandfathered into my imagination.

The prequels were a tragic disappointment. I was an adult when the came out and had much higher standards. I will admit that I can groove with PM a bit. People over react to Jar Jar and the kid jokes; it's bad but not that bad. The pod races don't make a lot of sense but they're fun. I never rewatched the other 2.

The new films are great. Look good, well acted, fun. RO does have a little bit of time to get cranking but once going it's a hoot. I understand the argument about Force Awaken feeling a bit derivative. But there are a lot of differences that all the web haters don't point out in their argument of it being the same. It shares similar pacing and motifs of the original. But the real world works in a circle no? Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat. Unknown hero, pressed into service, to save the galaxy at the last moment, who finds out true source of power is the Force. Will she make the same mistakes as Luke? Will we make the same mistakes as our parents? Will our children make the same mistakes as ourselves. Going over the same ground with a different perspective -- still worth the journey? Worth a couple of hours to me.

Borathan23 Oct 2017 7:20 p.m. PST

I liked the originals, split by the special edition since chunks were interesting and others were just stupid.

The prequels were interesting at parts and stupid at others, basically it started showing what happens when Lucas is let loose without an editor who can tell him that things are bad ideas.

The Clone Wars movie should never have been released as a movie, it should have just been made into the first arc of the series, and if a movie would be made, do it after the team behind it gets into their roles enough to make something great.

The Force Awakens had a few interesting parts and a lot of design elements that I liked, but the movie just dragged on for me.

Rogue One is a good movie, and I like it…but…

Well, lets just say that I think J J Abrams push to end Legends to let him do whatever he wanted kind of hurts Rogue One most for me. TFA is at least covering a different story, but the Death Star Plans thing was already something that a LOT of Star Wars fans already knew how it happened in Legends, rather than what showed up.

I'm one of the people who grew up with Star Wars. I played the games, read the books, listened to the audio dramas, watched and rewatched the movies and TV series, collected the figures, and a whole lot more.

It's pretty much how I kept my sanity intact through Junior High and High School

Poniatowski Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2017 5:33 a.m. PST

The hardest reality for me….. I am biased by age…. when I was younger, the original trilogy was everything to a 7 year old….. BUT… looking at today's special effects, etc….. How can you not favor the newer movies? Even the horrible "young Anakin" stuff had awesome special effects….

I keep telling myself.. if they had the tech back in the 70's that they have now… the original 3 would still be the best….. hands down.

LostPict Supporting Member of TMP26 Oct 2017 8:01 a.m. PST

When Rogue One was over, I regretted that it was not to have sequels. Too me it was a great cast, a great story, and had so much energy. I wish it was somehow possible to take Episodes 1 – III and inject them with that same energy.

No that Han and Leia are gone, hopefully Episode VI and VII will break free of the Episode IV "origin movie" and soar. I do worry that Luke my become an anchor much like Han and Leia did for Episode IV.

At least, the evil Sith Jar-Jar will not make an appearance.

LS650abc05 Nov 2017 9:15 a.m. PST

I thought TFA was not bad, maybe a 7 out of 10. It doesn't quite measure up to IV or V, and I consider it on a par with VI. However, IMHO it is much better than any of the prequels, and I did find it entertaining.

Rogue One – meh. It could have been great, but I found the lead actress uninteresting, and I couldn't stand Diego Luna's character. They could have left him out of the movie entirely, and given all of his lines to the secondary characters, and it would have been a better movie for it.

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