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emckinney30 Sep 2017 1:16 p.m. PST

What is the wider war associated with the American War of Independence called in France, Spain, and the UK?

MajorB30 Sep 2017 1:53 p.m. PST

The American Revolutionary War took place between 1775 and 1783.

The French entered the war in support of the Americans in 1778 and the Spanish did likewise in the following year.

In Britain the war is usually known as the American War of Independence. I have no idea what the French or Spanish called it.

Are you perhsps getting confused with the French & Indian War that was in some respects part of the Seven Years War?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2017 2:07 p.m. PST

In Spanish I've always read and heard it called any of these interchangeably:

La Guerra de Independencia de los Estados Unidos
La Revolución de las Trece Colonias (Estadounidenses)
La Revolución Estadounidense

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KniazSuvorov30 Sep 2017 4:08 p.m. PST

Yes, la revolución estadounidense in Spanish, and la révolution américaine in French. In Spanish, "americano" refers to someone from anywhere in the Americas, hence the denonym "estadounidense" ("of the United States").

Neither the names of historic events nor denonyms are generally capitalised in either language.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2017 5:29 p.m. PST

Very interesting.

What is the wider war associated with the American War of Independence called in France, Spain, and the UK?

I assumed it was called the "American War of Independence" in the UK, since that seems to be the commonly accepted (Anglocentric) wargaming term. Before that, I only ever heard it called the "American Revolution".

Personal logo Grelber Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2017 7:49 p.m. PST

Interesting, indeed. I had heard that the Spanish weren't so much our allies (we were largely Protestant and anti-monarchists, after all) as the enemies of the British, and would have thought they might have come up with a name that didn't mention us at all.
Grelber

attilathepun4730 Sep 2017 7:56 p.m. PST

I do not believe that Spain ever signed a treaty of alliance with the United States during the war. If I'm remembering correctly, Spain was simply a co-belligerent, but there were some measures of co-operation between the Spanish colonial authorities and the United States.

Supercilius Maximus In the TMP Dawghouse30 Sep 2017 9:25 p.m. PST

Guerre d'independance Americaine, or
Guerre d'independance des Etats-Unis (d'Amerique).

emckinney30 Sep 2017 10:37 p.m. PST

Interesting. Given that the French and Spanish efforts did not revolve around the 13 colonies (lots of activity in the Caribbean, for example, and an attempted invasion of England), I expected that there would be other names reflecting the broader aspects of the war, which are essentially forgotten in the United States. History books mention the French at Yorktown, but you'd never know the Spain had anything to do with the AWI at all.

Personal logo Swampster Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2017 1:13 a.m. PST

The Dutch involvement doesn't get much of a look in either. It was a separate war but started because of it and had an impact on the AWI, including the occupation of Dutch colonies by the British which were then seized by the French (and returned to the Dutch after the peace).

Supercilius Maximus In the TMP Dawghouse01 Oct 2017 1:48 a.m. PST

And the toughest naval action of any 18th Century conflict involving European nations – Dogger Bank.

Personal logo A sea that raged no more Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2017 1:56 a.m. PST

Le début de la domination du monde français qui durera 1 000 ans

basileus6601 Oct 2017 3:06 a.m. PST

In Spain itself the war is called:

Guerra de independencia de los Estados Unidos

War of Independence of the United States i is the preferred term. Some people simply call it "la revolución americana", though. It isn't considered confusing, as other wars of independence in Spanish America didn't entail, in their minds, a revolution in parallel with the drive for independence. I guess that in America is different. After all, for Americans in Colombia, Venezuela or Argentina, Simón Bolívar or San Martín were also revolutionaries, besides independentist leaders.

Bill N01 Oct 2017 4:56 a.m. PST

Interesting, indeed. I had heard that the Spanish weren't so much our allies (we were largely Protestant and anti-monarchists, after all) as the enemies of the British

The same was true of the Kingdom of France. France didn't throw large amounts of resources into the fight because of the justice of an independent America. They did it to restore the balance of power in the Americas which had shifted in favor of the British after the F&IW.

cosmicbank01 Oct 2017 5:47 a.m. PST

"The war could have better spent our Gold on"

emckinney01 Oct 2017 5:41 p.m. PST

"The Dutch involvement doesn't get much of a look in either."

Ah, yes, that slipped my mind. Involving the Dutch really didn't help Great Britain.

"Le début de la domination du monde français qui durera 1 000 ans"

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

AussieAndy Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2017 9:07 p.m. PST

"The put the boot into the Brits while they are down War"? Not that I have much sympathy for the Brits in the circumstances. France bankrupting itself didn't do the Bourbons much good in the long run either.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP02 Oct 2017 5:27 a.m. PST

La guere d'indépendance des Etas-Unis.

Lilian02 Oct 2017 7:43 a.m. PST

le début de la domination du monde français qui durera 1000 ans

very good to use french for humor but actually the meaning and interpretation of such unclear sentence is totally different from a non-french-speaking eye and a french-speaking reader
for the first that is a curious comparison with nazi germany and France…
for any french-speaking reader it means that an other power wished to dominate France and/or her colonial empire or something like that…

a very ambiguous sentence

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