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USAFpilot26 Sep 2017 6:40 a.m. PST

What did you think of the new Star Trek: Discovery?

1) thumbs up, I liked it.
2) thumbs down, I didn't like it.
3) I didn't see it, no opinion.

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 6:45 a.m. PST

You forgot to add "just ok". Since I won't be getting CBS access it was the first and last one I will see.

Tom Reed Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 6:48 a.m. PST

Yeah, I'm with Irish Marine. It was ok, but I'll never seen another episode cause I'm not shelling out more cash for it.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 6:48 a.m. PST

3) Didn't see it, expected little from it, worst expectations seem to be confirmed.

Personal logo Thomas Whitten Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 6:49 a.m. PST

2

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 6:51 a.m. PST

You should probably include the options of:

4) Meh.

5) Cautiously optimistic things will come together down the line.

6) Somewhere between a root canal and being run over by a garbage truck.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 6:52 a.m. PST

Didn't watch. All the discussion seemed to be about the race and sex of the senior officers, and none about their personalities (if any) or the plot, should there have been such a thing. Like hearing a movie praised for special effects, this is seldom a good sign.

USAFpilot26 Sep 2017 6:57 a.m. PST

2

Come on guys, be decisive, and let's not make this more complicated than it is. You either watched it or you didn't. If you watched it, you either liked it of you didn't. It's like when you tell your toy soldiers to charge the hill, they either do it or they don't. Anyways, I don't like poles with too many options, they muddy the water.

Disco Joe26 Sep 2017 7:04 a.m. PST

3 and based on having to pay more to see the season why even bother watching the first episode.

StarCruiser26 Sep 2017 7:11 a.m. PST

2 – Couldn't even finish it…

Micman Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 7:14 a.m. PST

3) haven't seen it yet. Reviews are mixed between boring and bad ( Fans) and cautiously optimistic ( an entertainment writer).

I will give it a look but will not spend money for CBS access.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 7:18 a.m. PST

3

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 7:27 a.m. PST

4) Didn't see it, but I still reserve the right to have an opinion … which is that I don't intend to see it, based on the last few Trek flops I wasted time watching, and based on so many reviews I've read about this one being the same type of disappointment or even worse.

Dan

Captain Gideon26 Sep 2017 7:31 a.m. PST

First off I watched both episodes and for the most part I didn't like them.

The look of the show is all wrong IMHO and I had no interest in most of the Federation characters.

I hated the Klingons in how they look,how they spoke,how they treated their dead and I hated the Klingon ships they SUCKED!!!!!

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 7:46 a.m. PST

"poles with too many options muddy the waters?"
(a) The Poles went a long time without any options.
(b) Not if the stream has a gravel bed.

Their. There. They're not the same.

jdpintex26 Sep 2017 7:47 a.m. PST

3

Personal logo nvdoyle Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 8:02 a.m. PST

Hot. Garbage.

Madan Mitra26 Sep 2017 8:14 a.m. PST

I'll have a 1.5 please Waiter… Thank You.

Essentially the same old same old Trek which was fine on the 80's, but, today you have to compete with the likes of The Expanse and this show is not up there.

My 21 year old son walked out after 20 mins… I'll carry on for a bit longer, just to see where it goes…by the way…thr title music is awful insipid uninspiring drivel.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 8:18 a.m. PST

I'll try it. It's on norwegian netflix so I at least don't have to pay any extra for it.

McKinstry Fezian26 Sep 2017 8:20 a.m. PST

Meh. Better than no Trek but disappointingly poor in execution.

Mobius26 Sep 2017 8:22 a.m. PST

2.
So much missed opportunity.

warwell Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 8:24 a.m. PST

3.

disappointingly poor in execution

A thought just struck me that I probably would have said the same thing about the pilot of TNG.

boy wundyr x Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 8:30 a.m. PST

3

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 8:36 a.m. PST

2

Andoreth26 Sep 2017 8:59 a.m. PST

1

It was slow and over filled with explanatory bits but that is often the way with first episodes. It had enough going for it that I will give it a couple of episodes to see how the characters and plot develop.

Ghostrunner26 Sep 2017 9:00 a.m. PST

Leaning toward 2.

They seem to have fallen in to the trap of 'we have a new vision for Star Trek' which means: Keep the title to sell it to the network execs, and change every other bloody thing because we want more 'WOW'.

Change the Klingon appearance… why? What did it have to do with the story? They're a 'ancient house'? Fine – give them different uniforms or they all have mohawks.

Change the uniforms… why? Don't like the TOS shirts? Fine. Enterprise had decent jumpsuits. I just don't get the overly-flashy metallic uniforms. Besides, try telling the difference between Gold and Bronze in anything other than perfect conditions.

Change the ships… why? Want a little more detail, sure. Want a ship somewhere in between NX and Constituion, fine. Shinzhao was OK, but Discovery looks totally removed from the accepted history. And glass windows on the bridge make about the same amount of sense as patio screen doors on your airlock.

At some point, they should just call it a reboot, or better yet call it something else entirely and make up their own rules.

Dynaman878926 Sep 2017 9:23 a.m. PST

3 – though I would have made a point of seeing it if not the for the ham-fisted attempt to sucker me into yet another streaming service. Same goes for the BBC with Dr. Who.

USAFpilot26 Sep 2017 9:39 a.m. PST

Good point about the uniforms. The original Star Trek uniforms seemed to be based on the idea of a US Navy aircraft carrier. Colors represent different functions and it gives everyone on deck a good idea of who does what.

Buck21526 Sep 2017 9:40 a.m. PST

Boring and unnecessary…

sneakgun26 Sep 2017 9:42 a.m. PST

Sucked

Personal logo Jlundberg Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 9:45 a.m. PST

I was not really impressed. Why does Syfy feel they need to be woke to make a good show. I have some more optimism about Orville than this.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 9:53 a.m. PST

I liked…


Amicalement
Armand

Ottoathome26 Sep 2017 10:53 a.m. PST

On the whole 2 because I want to be decisive. It wasn't a steaming pile of dreck like "The Orville" but it was nothing to write home about and I am not paying money to watch it AND the 10 minutes or so of commercials between segments.

My review that I posted on Society of Daisy is as follows.

Dear List

Once more into the time space continuum warp/dimension avatar cluster screw up.

I just got finished with watching episode 1 of the new Star Trek Series. 

My reaction is, unlike "The Orville" which was an unmitigated pile of stinking, steaming crap this one managed to win a solid straight C with the opportunity to do better. In Yoda talk that would be "Much Much better it must do I am thinking"

I understand this is another "reset' and takes place 10 years before the start of the original Series, and I recognized the once and future SPOK learning his A, B, and Cartesian experimental geometry from Sarek. 

But I must tell you. I'm getting tired. Every series and spin off has tramped all over the "canon" of the original series  and so it's hard to keep the stories straight anymore,… or even caring to try. It did raise a moderate interest when the first officer, who seems to be the star of the series is advocating a "first strike" against the Klingons because it is a language of force they understand and will probably be peaceful after that, because we have shown them we are worthy of defending ourselves and there fore someone they can't push around. But we shall see.'

I am sure the standard "please, please take anything you want only please don't hurt us" approach will soon be in force.

My three major beefs are…

one-- is once again everything is so dark. It's  like with all this power and technology and star ships neither the Klingons or the Federation seems to remember to pay the electric bill.  I wonder what the Klingons do with the smoke from the torches they light their starships by. The soot must play hell with the electronics. Is everything so dark because there's several centuris of lamp black coating everything?

The second thing that gives me pause about the new series is the once again manic feverish mania to be "diverse." Wouldn't it be easier to just write out white males from the series? Or make them the Klingons?

The third is the tremendous danger all these people are in from those extremely high horses they all ride around on. If Star Fleet is truly a Fleet why don't the sailors on the fleet talk like sailors.


There's a fourth. If this is 10 to twenty years before the start of the original Kirkenspok series, then why are the ships technological marvels with all sorts of arabesques and curly-cues and simply enormous! It should look more like DasBoot in Space.

I must also say I never liked any of the spin offs from the original. They all spent too much time in narcissistic slobbering around with their complexes and personalities and long episodes of "Angst on the Holo Deck." Space-- REAL SPACE-- is the most hostile environment we or any species will know, and survival will require a command and social structure absolutely and rigidly authoritarian and militaristic to survive. Free will and likes and dislikes must be left at the home planet and kept under lock and key till you get to the destination.

Something even the Klingons don't have the stones for it seems.


Otto

Bill Rosser Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 11:15 a.m. PST

I didn't like science officer "COW".

RudyNelson26 Sep 2017 11:27 a.m. PST

One thumb up but waiting to see the next episode before giving two or changing to down.
I really hate sub-titles which make no sense since it is a fake language.
Is it third person story telling or not?

rbmgl281426 Sep 2017 11:52 a.m. PST

Dull, to much of a slow-burn, no canon-crackers but a couple of places where the boundaries were pushed notably the long-range holo-communicator something we didn't see until well into DS9, wondering how much of this "Klingon" look is actually Hur'Q the uniforms and "Phase cannons" indicate the producers are evolving the look of Enterprise and it's tech into the 23rd century, not backing up the look of the original series 10 or 15 years into its past

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 12:07 p.m. PST

Klingon Redesign EXPLAINED…

YouTube link


Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 12:31 p.m. PST

Come on guys, be decisive, and let's not make this more complicated than it is. You either watched it or you didn't. If you watched it, you either liked it of you didn't.

Is everbody that binary? I've seen tons of pilots I was iffy about. Are all your RPG characters either lawful or chaotic?

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 12:42 p.m. PST

3

chromedog26 Sep 2017 2:03 p.m. PST

I didn't hate it. There were bits I did like ("the black fleet" instead of "Sto'vo'kor" afterlife – the "the final reflection" fan in me squeed at that one) and bits that were lame, but the good bits (to me) outweighed the bad. The good of the many, if you will.

ALL pilot episodes are dodgy, this holds true for EVERY ST series. ALL of them had good episodes and all had equally shite ones, and the latter happened more often.

TNG had a ropey first (and second) season- but the second was due in part to the screenwriters' strike of that year.

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 2:03 p.m. PST

For me the breaking point on the series is when the 1st officer attacks the captain in her ready room and then comes out to act

JMcCarroll Inactive Member26 Sep 2017 2:37 p.m. PST

2nd "I was not really impressed. Why does Syfy feel they need to be woke to make a good show. I have some more optimism about Orville than this."

Dezmond26 Sep 2017 4:00 p.m. PST

Why does Syfy feel they need to be woke to make a good show.

Our ruling class competes for status by who hates white people (particularly white men) the most.

Not only somewhat terrifying but also a bit of a downer when it comes to trying to find entertainment to escape in to.

The H Man26 Sep 2017 5:01 p.m. PST

Half of 3. Have not seen it yet.

Woke? Please explain.

On klingons. Remember the movies changed them first.

On darkness. It's an annoying modern thing. Buy some lighting already!

Had heard they may be pushing certain life styles (other than living in space). One reason, of many, I no longer watch the new doctor who fan fiction on TV. Remember you can say NO.

Will throw it on the to watch list, after all of B5.

USAFpilot26 Sep 2017 6:44 p.m. PST

Is everbody that binary? I've seen tons of pilots I was iffy about.

Nope, there are numerous shades of grey, too many to count. I could have written the poll differently, but chose to write it in the manner of the old Siskel & Ebert movie review show. So it's either 'thumbs up' or 'thumbs down' for those who saw it.

By the way, I try not to fly with iffy pilots. ;-)

The H Man26 Sep 2017 6:49 p.m. PST

You could always rephrase it to:

Would watch an other episode.
Would not watch anither episode.
Have not watched an episode.

However some people may not like it but still watch to see how it goes.

You can't win.

Ghostrunner26 Sep 2017 7:09 p.m. PST

I'll probably wait for the boxed DVD set…

…the one with all 17 episodes of the series.

(Bit of hyperbole, but trying to make this the enticement to join a subscription service does not bode well for the series or the network.)

Personal logo Narratio Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2017 11:09 p.m. PST

Just seen episode 2. and I'm crying in my beer. This ain't the Star Trek of my youth. And yes, she should have been jailed.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2017 12:31 a.m. PST

I don't really see why they are doing this.

Yes Voyager did lag behind in ratings but was by no means a rantings bomb.

The reason given both for Voyagers lacking viewership and Nemesis not doing as well as hoped(besides the obvious flaws in both the series and movie) Was franchise fatigue. When Voy ended you'd have 21 seasons running almost 15 years.

So instead of just not making star trek for a few years they made Enterprise, which was bad, very bad. Naturally, it didn't go well at all.

TNG is still the most popular star trek series in the fandom, on the official star trek site, TNG dominates in almost all of the various polls(except if Spook is an option)
People like TNG, quite a few liked DS9. That's what people want.

So instead of trying to reinvent the wheel, they should simply have put the franchise on hold for ten years. And make a new TNG/DS9 series with updates of course, By first making Enterprise and now this which seem to be hated even more than enterprise. They are killing the Franchise.

Same happened with Stargate, SG1 was immensely popular, it was THEE show in Sci-fy, with 10 seasons. Atlantis was well received. And then they Cancel both shows to make Universe(their attempt at making BGS stargate edition,(with a splash of Dawsons Creek) It didn't go well and the Franchise is now dead, with planes for "webisodes"

Don't Bleeped text with what works. Star Trek didn't need a reboot, a prequel or such nonsense(or whatever this Discovery is), It simply needed a few years break.
Let people get a chance to miss Star Trek.

There was a lot of stuff to take in the TNG universe, the fallout of the dominion war, fallout from Nemesis, Return of the Sisko. So much to work with.

The H Man27 Sep 2017 5:10 a.m. PST

I feel the same way with doctor who. 2005 could be forgiven as it was the first year back. But there is no excuse for what followed. They have not made anything resembling doctor who since 1996. And that's stretching it.

The recent trek films, or at least the two I saw, we're the same. No resemblance of star trek. In name only.

Enterprise I like, what I saw of it. It was different, but still had the pleasant feel and mood of tng. Unlike the new films which seemed too fast paced, crude and unintelligent.

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