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AuvergneWargamer14 Sep 2017 7:15 a.m. PST

Bonjour Chaps,

Apologies if this is already known about but I've been without proper internet access for 6 weeks.

Black Hussar have pictures of these on their Facebook page and fantastic they look too!

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Can't wait to order some!

Will post an image or 2 if I can work out how!

Cheers,

Paul

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2017 7:43 a.m. PST

They look really good.

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Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2017 7:44 a.m. PST

Posting in did not work for me either.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2017 9:24 a.m. PST

Yes they did, I can see every picture and they look superb.

I have more than enough Gardes du Corps, from Eureka….heck, no I do not. one cannot have too many. One of my favourite uniforms of the era. I have long had the GMB standards for them and the Zastrow Cuirassiers and had planned the hussars and chevaulegers as my next project (if I ever get Adam's Brigade finished……..).

cncbump15 Sep 2017 6:21 a.m. PST

I just went to the site.
They are not yet listed.
Do you know when they will be available for sale?

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2017 8:25 a.m. PST

Occurs to me that some folk might not be able to see the pictures so let me post them for you.

Fourth picture down. The chap on the right. Is he sheathing his sword…if so….how clever is that? I have never ever seen anyone try to model the action of drawing a cavalry sword….or the reverse as I assume here. Everyone does swords shouldered or mad charges…..inspired

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C M DODSON16 Sep 2017 1:15 p.m. PST

Hello Mr. D.

Very nice but Revell beat them to it with their English life Guards in the OTS.

They have a very nice drawing sabre chap in their set.

Best wishes,

Chris

von Winterfeldt17 Sep 2017 12:47 a.m. PST

very nice figures, as far as the photo permit to see, the only knit pick, why are those trumpets so short???

See for example the Sauerweid plate showing a Saxon heavy cavalry trumpeter.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2017 10:40 a.m. PST

Never been too sure about this.

Apologies if a stupid question.

But did cavalry trumpeters use both a bugle and a trumpet? I almost have this memory that the trumpet was for parade and the bugle for serious signals. So the former stayed in Dresden and the latter appeared at Borodino.

But I have absolutely no evidence for this. Just something "I always knew"

von Winterfeldt17 Sep 2017 11:43 a.m. PST

I am not aware that the Saxon heavy cavalry regiments did it like you describe.

AuvergneWargamer10 Oct 2017 4:23 a.m. PST

Bonjour Chaps,

These are now ready to pre-order!

October 27th is the actual release date.

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All very exciting!

Cheers,

Paul

AuvergneWargamer10 Oct 2017 10:04 a.m. PST

OK Chaps,

A question for you clever chaps about horses.

Black Hussar are saying that the same horses, ref: SA043, used for their Saxon Light Cavalry are the ones to go with their Saxon Curassiers.

I've got a few of them and they are quite robust but shouldn't heavy cavalry have better mounts?

If so whose heavier horses would you recommend?

Views welcome.

Cheers,

Paul

Anthony Barton10 Oct 2017 10:15 a.m. PST

Deadhead, both Bugle and Trumpet were carried by the British cavalry, and as you describe the bugle was used on horseback ( easier to play ) and the trumpet for more musically demanding calls on foot( more notes available).
However , I have never been able to discover quite when carrying both was bought in. It was normal in the Crimea, but evidence for the Napoleonic period seems lacking : my guess is that that it was trumpet only during the period. The bugle was quite a new instrument at the time, and had only just settled into the modern shape, and into use in the Light Infantry.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2017 6:31 a.m. PST

Many thanks indeed for that. One does see the odd bugle, rather than trumpet, claimed to have been used by cavalry at Waterloo.

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Somehow the idea that (like so many Uniforms "facts") it relates to the 1850s more than 1815, sounds right.

My 95th are being based today and, although the best thing I have ever done, the errors simply multiply. I did use a cavalry arm with a trumpet, fully intending to trim the latter to bugle length….but forgot!

The horses. I have to agree, but true Heavy cavalry horses are few and far between. At least the Saxon horses suggested do not have the cross piece on the horses' faces. I initially condemned this as an error, but not so it seems.

You'd want something with harness, but no saddlery. Front Rank horses are tiny, especially when compared to their own cavalry figures. Perry plastics eg ACW cavalry, would take little grinding if you have a Dremel and are bigger. I would not bother to be honest. By the time they got to Borodino….horseflesh was past its best.

von Winterfeldt11 Oct 2017 6:41 a.m. PST

so far I did not run across bugles used in German heavy cavarly regiments of the Napoleonic time, neither for the French, in case someone comes up with information they did I would welcome the information.
Otherwise I would have wished they opted for a nice long Saxon cavalry trumpet, it is a pity.
About horses, I have anyway the outcast opinion that morst miniature horses are too big for the Napoleonic time so that wouldn't be an issue for me.

here from Markus Stein's web site, now, please anybody sculpting Saxon cuirassier officers in this dark blue coat??

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Martyn K11 Oct 2017 6:43 a.m. PST

It is a little surprising that the heavy cavalry horses aren't a little bigger; especially considering that the Black Hussar Saxon Limber horses are the most well fed horses on the market.
That said, these are very nice figures from a great manufacturer.

von Winterfeldt11 Oct 2017 6:55 a.m. PST

looking at their masters, the horses wouldn't be an issue, the trumpet however a pity.

my wish Saxon cuirassiers of 1809 with an officer like this

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looking at those contemporary pictures the horses are not that huge

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2017 7:10 a.m. PST

You have maybe answered my question then. Since seeing your picture I have puzzled over the blue coat with the heavy cavalry officer helmet. Many images on line, but this is the only one showing him in that rig.

Your earlier picture. Why is he wearing a blue coat without a cuirasse? Is this an undress version of the Zastrow yellow faced coat??? Is it instead and earlier outfit, if so, I cannot find it. Silver epaulettes too…..

Intrigued! Quite a unique look…I can imagine why you would want to show him

AuvergneWargamer11 Oct 2017 12:43 p.m. PST

Bonsoir,

Reassured about the size of horses, thanks.

Not at all sure about the 1809 Saxon officer as he looks like he's wearing a dressing-gown!

Cheers,

Paul

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