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C M DODSON11 Sep 2017 3:17 a.m. PST

I am currently constructing the various buildings for my re fight of Quatre Bras.

The Brussels and Namur roads were bisected by streams and I was wondering if anyone had information as to the types of bridges over them in 1815?

I have seen lots of wargames with stone bridges and that makes a deal of sense. However, as a comparison, most of the Ligny bridges were wooden.

However, has anyone got any factual evidence of what was used?

Many thanks in anticipation.

C M DODSON11 Sep 2017 3:18 a.m. PST

I am currently constructing the various buildings for my re fight of Quatre Bras.

The Brussels and Namur roads were bisected by streams and I was wondering if anyone had information as to the types of bridges over them in 1815?

I have seen lots of wargames with stone bridges and that makes a deal of sense. However, as a comparison, most of the Ligny bridges were wooden.

However, has anyone got any factual evidence of what was used?

Many thanks in anticipation.

Chris

hyena12311 Sep 2017 3:18 a.m. PST

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C M DODSON11 Sep 2017 3:18 a.m. PST

I am currently constructing the various buildings for my re fight of Quatre Bras.

The Brussels and Namur roads were bisected by streams and I was wondering if anyone had information as to the types of bridges over them in 1815?

I have seen lots of wargames with stone bridges and that makes a deal of sense. However, as a comparison, most of the Ligny bridges were wooden.

However, has anyone got any factual evidence of what was used?

Many thanks in anticipation.

Chris

4th Cuirassier11 Sep 2017 3:20 a.m. PST

Best instance of the bug I've yet seen.

C M DODSON11 Sep 2017 3:20 a.m. PST

Apologies for what seems like chaos. I have no idea why there are three entries and something about bio warriors, whatever they are.

Chris

4th Cuirassier11 Sep 2017 3:21 a.m. PST

Even better, replies to one thread get posted to all three!

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2017 5:17 a.m. PST

Having visited the battlefield a few times I would say that the Namur and Brussels roads, being paved, would have crossed the rivers and streams by stone bridge or culvert.

marshalGreg11 Sep 2017 5:19 a.m. PST

My understanding and as to what I did for my QB refight- wood bridge ( or nothing at all) since the creeks were insignificant. The exception would be where they were lined by trees and bushes( hedges) then it became a LoS obstruction and linear obstacle, which made the allied position much stronger for the initial French attack against the small Netherlands Division holding it at 1 ish pm(or earlier if a "what if Ney"… is taken) attack.

Love that scenario

MG

d88mm1940 Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2017 10:50 a.m. PST

I, too, am interested in Quatre Bras. I was looking for detailed information and tried Google Maps: bad.
The pond, the stream, even the Bossu woods are gone! Just a few monuments to honor a place of battle.
If only Google had been around in 1815. Then we could Google Belgium, 1815…

DeRuyter Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2017 11:41 a.m. PST

Well you can – Google Quatre Bras maps and you'll get images of some period maps or 19th century maps in any case.

Having said that the streams were not significant except at the Matrne pond. There was also marshy ground around the pond, which is still there today btw. As marshalGreg said the hedges and trees lining the streams and the road at some points was more of an obstacle.

C M DODSON11 Sep 2017 12:56 p.m. PST

Thank you to everyone for their responses. The lake Materne is still there as is the Gemincourt stream. The stream was not much of an obstacle to the west of Gemincourt but the marshy ground to the east caused movement problems and indeed focussed the cavalry engagements to the west.

This stream flows towards Thyle and there is a Watermill there.

Jac Wellers book has illustrations of stone bridges present in 1815 but unfortunately not at Quatre Bras and these may well be the solution to my problem.

The Bossau wood was awarded to the Duke after his victory and he then had it felled for the timber! 'What have they done to my ( Waterloo) battlefield' seems a bit rich I feel.

This link might be of use to d88mm 1940.

PDF link

Best wishes,

Chris

Allan F Mountford12 Sep 2017 7:18 a.m. PST

An interesting study of contemporary and later maps of Quatre Bras:

link

marshalGreg12 Sep 2017 7:20 a.m. PST

Perhaps this should help with bossu woods etc.
It is based off of the 1778 ( or 1788- I cannot locate it) maps which were very close to the actual conditions. Atkins's research also supports something like this field condition.

picture

This it what I based my gaming field off of but with the added hedges and sunken roads from the 1778 map.

MG

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