"Necromunda preview" Topic

They put up a video showing pics of the new figures and presumably some of the terrain that comes with the game.

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It looks great. The figures that come with this one are so much better than the generic plastics that came in the last set. The fact that there are going to be Escher in the box is probably going to be a big selling point too.

I'm looking forward to it. Perhaps we will see some games at Fall In.

I guess they are previewing it at NOVA this weekend. From what I've seen we will be getting all of the stuff that came out from the original, so Spyrers will be back.

I hope they don't run out of box sets like they did with the last release.

Any mention of when the pre-orders will begin?

I didn't see any mention. The game is finished, obviously, so I would imagine it would be in the next month or so.

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Hmm… still very plastic. Alas this time around there are no metal replacements.

Q's

what's on the escher's eye? The legs look a bit odd to me.

How come the metal figs had esher on them? Sculptors Typo I guess.

what was the last release? The original box or big book? Is there a more recent one?

The figures look very good. I am a bit concerned that the scenery does not look like it is designed to come to pieces after a game allowing for easy transport as the original card and plastic sets were.

Andoreth, There is no scenery. The game looks to ship with 2D card tiles. But the rules will allow for 3D terrain. Picture with 3d Terrain is from the Shadow War:Armageddon range of plastic terrain.

Yes looks like flat card tiles which is too bad. However there are plenty of terrain options out there for fighting in the hive. The figures look good. I still have my Spyer gang so I will be curious to see if and how they play now. I'm looking forward to this being released.

Figs don't do much for me, esp the Goliaths. Like the old ones better. These look over-designed. It's like GW has forgotten how to sculpt something that isn't one of their core factions. Each to his own. I think I would rather just play Shadow War.

The vid said this was coming in November.

I will be interested in checking out the rules for this newest version. Shadow War didn't interest me in the slightest. I am not interested in having all the usual 40K armies fight for control of a hive. Makes no sense

This game truly shined as gang warfare. If they didn't mangle the rules badly, this may be my first GW purchase in 20 years.

Ditto. But you know the rules will be different. Can't have everyone using old copies now can we (we being gw).

Of course the old figs look better, they were metal and the escher were by Jes Goodwin. 'Nuf said (so why do I keep going on about it?).

I can understand a cheap release. It may have me buy one. Got two metal gangs kicking around. Now I may have 2 plastic ones to complain about. And 2 of them escher!

I'm very pleased with how much better the new figures look compared to the old ones.

They are much more dynamic now and the poses don't look as stiff. The old ones, being metal and much more limited, suffered from the single plane pose that GW had going on back then. Where a lot of figures were in a star pose to prevent them being multiple parts.

Just looking at the two Goliath figures carrying a weapon with both hands you can see how the arm on the metal one was sculpted to fit around the stock of the weapon and looks somewhat unnatural in the way it holds it. The new one isn't dealing with that and while being crazy musclebound is able to be more fluid in its motion.

Despite the improvements people who are in the hobby only to complain about stuff are still going to complain.

Looks good to me. Slightly disappointed about the box set's terrain but it'll make a fine excuse to build my own. Very interested to see how they reboot the other gangs like Delaque and Van Saar.

The old ones you picture look much better to me. Eyes of the beholder and all that.

As for:

"Despite the improvements people who are in the hobby only to complain about stuff are still going to complain."

Eye of the beholder. You see improvement, I do not. I am not in the hobby to complain about stuff just because we disagree.

Bob

That is one hell of a revolver!

Or he is very, very small.

I too like the old sculpts, they looked more like a gang that was fighting for everything they need, food, guns, ammo etc.

I liked almost all of the old metals, but they were really hard to customize. In a WYSIWYG game, nearly everyone was armed just as they came.

I like the look of these new plastics. But I agree that the older models looked like they were using whatever was to hand, and theswe new figures look armed to the teeth.

What made the old game really great was the campaign system. You were a gang, fighting for turf, and trying to earn experience. While I hope they kept most of the old rules, there were a few tweaks I wish they would officially make. I don't expect them to however.

Back when I first played Necromunda, it was just all-around a terrific game. But as tabletop rules got "better" I discovered how much a skirmish game really improved with alternating activations. IGOUGO is fine for a larger battle, but small handfuls if individually names figures just seems far more tense when you alternate activations. No more cunning plans laid out like chess moves. You have no idea which each enemy figure will move next.

So I drifted away from Necromunda for that reason. And I do not expect GW to change from their IGOUGO mentality.

Still, I will certainly keep my eye on this game.

Yeah. The old goliaths are the winners, they had character and better bases (judging the two pics above). The new guy doesn't even have a face, and definitely has that painted plastic look, though they have blanched it a bit in an attempt to cover this. But what do you expect, one is a hand made piece of art and the other is probably spat out by a computer.

Plastic is easier to convert, sure, but we are not all wimps who don't want to try. I still think the ash nomads separate hands was a good idea.

If the scale is the same, or close too, we can just use old figs and fling or sell the box plastics. may help to make the game affordable to many. Or give the new tat to friends not keen to invest, to get them playing.

The one time gw goes less spiky…

Wow, the narration in that advert is terrible….
I'm afraid that Necromunda has lost any appeal for me, but if the FLGS crowd gets into it I will GM/run a game and use some primaris-marines as Dredd style Judges….

I left gw when they let this one go…im so back.

I'm sorry, the old Goliath's look aweful. Badly designed, badly sculpted – just badly executed in general. The new versions look a thousand times better, and are just better engineered as a model.

I don't think I like the 'techno gladiator' aesthetic the new ones have going as much as the older ones, although the execution is better. These new ones look good, but also very different from the old ones.

Well, he's apparently a fish, so what more do I need to say.

I wouldn't mind seeing an old plastic/metal/new plastic comparison. That could be interesting.

Are juves and heavys in the box? I am guessing one heavy, 2 juves?

The Goliaths were always the weakest models from the old line, both metal and especially plastic. Also GW never produced as extensive a line up with weapon variants as there were for the some of the other gangs. The best were the Ratskins (Perry Brothers Sculpts) Orlocks (again Perry) Escher (Jess Goodwin) also the Spyers (Not sure who sculpted those and the down side with them is they lacked variety as well) Delaque (sp?) had some nice sculpts. The new Goliaths look far better but as with any such argument beauty and aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder.

Goliaths were down the list. I found delaques a bit plain as well. Escher were up there mostly due to hair and the chance to paint vibrant color schemes (among other things). Not being plastic meant the sculptors could fuse character into each sculpt, while being lucky enough not to have the limitation of a solid mold or requirement to make the figures multi part to get in their way.

In the end it will come down to conversions, basing and painting that will make the figure, good, bad, plastic or metal.

I saw the miniatures in person at NOVA 2017. They look pretty great. Those Goliaths are on 32mm bases and the Eschers are on 25mm bases.

Also.. the set comes with card tiles, representing the deep underhive and a space hulk type of environment. The GW guy said they aren't making specific Necromunda plastic terrain because the Sector Mechanicus industrial terrain is perfectly suitable for Necromunda. (I agree, we would have killed for terrain like that back when I played Necromunda)

I am glad the new Necromunda is not coming with 3D terrain. Firstly, I still have multiple sets of the old terrain, plus many buildings I made myself. I also still have loads of extra bulkheads (way back in the day, you could buy a sprue of 6 bulkheads for $6 USD – what a deal!). I also have all of the old 40K cardstock buildings, and Gorkamorka buildings.

But secondly, I now have a 3D printer, and have been acquiring files for sci-fi gaming, and I would prefer to go that route, rather than use cardstock buildings anyway.

So by NOT giving us more cardstock buildings, they can put MORE of other goodies into the box.

I have a few bulkheads left, I wish I had bought a bunch back in the day

The old figures have so much more character about them.

So true.

As for them putting more goodies in the box. They wont. But they will still charge you for them.

It will be interesting to see if it's based on new 40k or on Necromunda. I hope the latter.

It will be different, but different how.

I feel the figure design has flopped. From what I have seen.
I guess art work will all be cg, ie flop.(don't start that conversation, for goodness sake, please dont).
Rules I expect to be very different. Again that for me would be a flop, as it would not be Necromunda, only in name.

A very good point may be people selling off their old stuff. Initially high prices, but after a while it will become a buyers market, if the new game takes hold. So it may all end up win win.

Like H Man I am curious to see HOW it is different or the same to old game.I will want Necromunda not a skirmish version of 40K. But we shall see. The fact the set comes with tiles instead of the plastic terrain bits is disappointing but I am sure the rule book will be available separately. I have my old gangs and hope to see them take action soon. If the new game is not what I hope I still have all the rules for the old game.

The rules will not be the same as the old Necromunda. It will not be 40k skirmish either.

That is a big tease. Though, of course, most likely true.

I doubt the book will is be separate. However buy a box and you could sell the minis to people who have friends with the rules and only want the minis. You should get a few Bob back.

No terrain sucks. But GW have the current plastics and we all have garbage bins of rubbish and glue is cheap.

The plastic and card of old were great. And mordhiem. Is a liw cost way they should have done it this time around. Maybe they are not targeting new customers who would not have terrain.

Mantic make great plastic terrain that is better than the old Necromunda bulkheads with cardstock inserts. And I have a TON of that old stuff still, and lots of terrain I made by picking up extra bulkhead sprues back in the day.

Lots of 3D printable sci-fi terrain that would work as well and for lots cheaper than the few bits of plastuic terrain GW recently released in their 40K skirmish game (that kinda looked like Necromunda, but not with gangs). Armegeddon maybe?

And there are loads of companies that now maike Necromunda-like MDF in sizes and shapes that look nearly exactly like the old necromunda stuff. I would have killed for some laseer cut MDF back in the day!

So if we get some GOOD rules, and some new minis, I will be happy to start off with the tiles. Easy enough to put together a tabletop of terrain.

A good time for someone to produce some plastic bulk heads to go with card again. Just sell a box of bulk heads. Byo card for cheap customizable terrain. A quick cash grab too boot. But the delay on plastic production may see them miss the boat.

Pe made stuff is OK. But I feel building terrain was half the game. Remember the 'corkin'' tower some chap made. It was in wd.

Not a fan of Mr Gimp-Mask…

Shhh. ..

Your not helping ebay prices on the old ones. Buy, buy, buy.

I'm sure women think he looks hot. As he has few fans.

No I didn't mean that, buy buy buy!

The new Escher figures look great.

It is going to be very fun to paint these models.

Keep telling yourself that.

I can't wait to get necromunda

I just noticed at the bottom of the "Start Playing" page: "Coming soon: Legacy gangs- rules to use your gangs from yesteryear".

That's pretty darned awesome.

GW has come a long way to "owning" it's history, instead of acting like their current version of 'X' is Super Ultimate Supreme, and all their old stuff was crap- at least when the deigned to acknowledge it ever existed at all.

They really have. The current editions of both 40K and AoS have done a lot to keep many of the models they have produced over the last 20 years completely relevant in the games.

There is no reason why you can't use older models in them either, I've used a lot of my Elric figures in AoS.

GW is really knocking it out of the park these days. The figure quality and quality of the games is better than anything they have done since the turn of the century.

Since the turn of the century. Perhaps. Though it's all been poor by 80-90s standards.

No, it has been a lot better than the 80-90s stuff. One can't really even compare the quality of the miniatures. Rogue Trader was barely a coherent set of rules for friends to play skirmish games with. 2nd edition of 40K had some massive holes in it, although a lot of the miniatures were really starting to come into their own.

The new plastics blow a lot of the best of the late 80s and early 90s marines out of the water. The metal ones with the plastic arms were well sculpted but the open hand just wasn't that convincing with the bolter laying across it.

The fact that they were plastic/metal hybrids made them the worst of both worlds. They were even more fragile than metal figures normally are because the super glue didn't hold the plastic as well as metal.

They chipped, unlike plastic figures today where you don't have to worry about that.

They were great at the time, but things have moved along.

The characters are dynamic now, they aren't all in a pose that can be cast in a rubber mold as a single piece giving you a lot of "heroic X" stance characters.

quality of the games is better than anything they have done since the turn of the century.

There's a lot of Warhammer Fantasy players that will disagree with you. :P

I still standby that WH40K 2nd edition and 4th edition were the best versions or at least my favourite edition.

Bloodbowl is basically the old ruleset too.

Stuff like Assassinorum Execution Force was dire and really, really boring.

The fact that they were plastic/metal hybrids made them the worst of both worlds.

Totally agreed. Larger GW metal kits were trash too (e.g. Killa Kans which required extensive sawing).

The characters are dynamic now

Not that dyanamic – look at above Necromunda models!

And pretty much everyone I know (myself included)thought the Blood Bowl boxset humans were really boring – the older metal ones were far better and far more dynamic.

Though it's all been poor by 80-90s standards.

The period from about 92' to 95' was the low point, actually. Minis were made static and cartoony, and vehicles were boxy and detail-light. They gave minis plastic arms when they didn't need them. And the studio painted everything red for some reason, so they looked even more ridiculous.

Not that dyanamic – look at above Necromunda models!

That's as dynamic as I want. You want everyone to have "Flying Wallendas" Harlequin poses? They're playing pieces first. Or at least should be.

And pretty much everyone I know (myself included)thought the Blood Bowl boxset humans were really boring – the older metal ones were far better and far more dynamic.

IMO, they're not. I've owned every humie team (well, the few 1st ed. ones were integrated into my 2e team), and I do think the latest are the best. Though I do trim down the Wolverine claws to "nasty brass knuckle" length.

And RT and 2nd were better than 3rd on for small-scale gaming, which is how I liked it. I played a hybrid of the two well into the 00's. Pictors trots out his disdain for these whether it's topical or not. Did the subject of rules even come up?

Minis were made static and cartoony, and vehicles were boxy and detail-light. They gave minis plastic arms when they didn't need them. And the studio painted everything red for some reason, so they looked even more ridiculous.

Again it's down to personal aesthetics.

I liked that period.

My big problem with modern figures is they're often overloaded with detail, lack focus points and have retarded looking oversized weapons.

Eg the below model has lots of detail and looks like nothing, especially on the table top:

Or this one – no focal point except those stupid looking tusks, too busy and I will emphasise those tusks

Even something like the below is too busy for a 28mm wargaming miniature.

And then this abomination:

Though there's plenty of nice looking modern figures too

A lot of the problems is the modern attitude to wargaming – load up 2000-2500 points (or whatever passes for that in AoS), don't paint them and it looks horrible. I've literally seen players sweeping models instead of moving them!

Not to mention it plays horrible – my 4th edition Ork army had 120+ models (all painted!) and that was only 1750 points and it was boring to move them all, shoot them all, close combat etc.

Gimme a smaller game with 20-30 fully painted models with some nice army focal points any day.

Oh and terrain – whatever the hell happened to preparing nice tables? Instead it's throw terrain any which way to the point it doesn't play a role.

I actually love this aesthetic (and am not a fan of modern muted emo "life is grim dark" vibe) :

Sorry about that guys…