"So Is THIS What They Really Think Hannibal Looked Like?" Topic

"So maybe the "M" and the face belong to someone else entirely. O maybe I simply have no clue what I'm talking about when it comes to the Numidians and Garamantes of that time"

That coin is from 3rd century Etrutria. The suggested date is for when the Carthos were stomping around the region. The letter wouldn't stand for a Numidian king – wrong alphabet. It suggests the maker was a local, using the Latin, Etruscan or Greek alphabet. It may be no more than an issue letter, indicating date or mint. There is another just about identical coin with a backwards C – possibly a moon – instead of an M.

The date is a bit of a presumption it seems. The theory is that the images are to curry favour with Hannibal or Hasdrubal, but they may have a completely different meaning – including celebrating the defeat of the Carthaginians. There are loads of Roman coins with elephants which are used to show victory in Africa.

Real Budweiser is a Czech beer anyway, and far better than the American brand-theft.

Straight line from Ptolemy I with lots and lots of incestuous marriages. No locals.

That seems to have been going on in many cases in the ancient world and afterwards. Just a part of "Palace Intrigue", etc., including murder, etc., if I understand it correctly.

Think very, very Greek--back up in the mountains Greek, where they weren't much troubled by the Turks.

That would seem to the case here. But there may have been some "activities" between slaves and their masters, etc., in ancient times and even a centurie or two ago. Where the "local's", genes may have "unofficially" mixed in. It was certainly prevalent, IIRC, e.g., in places like ancient Rome, etc.

However, here it probably didn't happen in Cleo's case(?). But I've heard other historians say she was quite "adept" using her femininity to get what she wanted. E.g. Cesar and Mark Anthony, as some historians have intimated. And rumors of "illegitimate" offspring were sometimes spoken of. Again I was not there … so …

" But was he on Italian soil long enough to transform into an Italian? "

Yes, it's all the Spaghetti-O's they eat there.

Hey ! Hey ! "Real" Italians Don't eat Spaghetti-O's ! Or talk about it in public. My Granma would be rolling over in her grave to find out I had eaten some ! And would come by to haunt me every night until I pledged to never do it again !!!!

Interestingly, one can mention certain menu predilections about, e.g. those of Italian ethnicity, etc. But in other cases of ethnicity, culture, race, etc., it would be considered "racist". Not that it would really matter to most of my "brethren"/Sons of Italy, etc. Just making an observation. Someone pass the pasta please …

God bless Teddy!

aren't we all of african descent?

I believe not too long ago there was a History channel show on about Hannibal that portrayed him as black. It might have been in the ancient battles series.

Lol!!!! Yea, loved the armour!!! That portrail really turned on a few notable members here…🙈🙈🙈

You think he raided and borrowed something from Xena's closet (or an opera singer's)? Or is that simply a really bad attempt at depicting Samnite armor?

Dan

Good stuff C/C !

I believe not too long ago there was a History channel show on about Hannibal that portrayed him as black

Yes, I remember seeing that program. And yes, Hannibal was portrayed as black. Didn't really think that was odd or anything else at the time. Seemed about right …

"Now I know it wasn't part of some "historical" article, and that the whole thing was part of an ad."

The only problem is that these WERE used for education. I remember seeing them on the wall in my junior high school oh those many, many, (sigh), many, years ago.

We don't have any images of Hannibal! That image of the African with the elephant coin isn't Masinissa, they were struck in and discovered in Italy, and is thought to represent an elephant handler.

The only problem is that these WERE used for education. I remember seeing them on the wall in my junior high school oh those many, many, (sigh), many, years ago.

So why is it a "problem"?
Giving African American students a "fake" hero?
How are they harmed?
When I was in grade school I was taught all the Reverend Weems "fake facts" about George Washington. I wasn't damaged.
Let kids learn nuance and revisionist history later.
So Hannibal is depicted as being "African American". (I love to make that joke!) big whoop. Who is harmed?
No more than nice little Presbyterian children are harmed by pictures of Jesus looking like Group Captain Jesus, RAF.
Myths, particularly ones that lead to positive feelings do no harm.
If Latraveous Johnson sees a great African leader as a role model, that's a good thing. So what if it's poppycock?

It appears that Winston is in the "feelz before realz" camp.

And what does that mean?