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HappyHussar10 Aug 2017 10:00 a.m. PST

I am wondering if the uniform for the Royal Allemand Emigre' regiment varied that much from its French uniform (other than the tricolor on the bicorne). Here is an image of the unit in French service before it was disbanded and then later defected.

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Prince of Essling Supporting Member of TMP10 Aug 2017 12:02 p.m. PST

Royal Allemande in Austrian service
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Prince of Essling Supporting Member of TMP10 Aug 2017 2:21 p.m. PST

Also see
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HappyHussar10 Aug 2017 2:28 p.m. PST

Thanks so much. I will go with the first image you posted! :)

von Winterfeldt11 Aug 2017 7:15 a.m. PST

You could use an Austrian Dragoons such as Sho Boki produced in 18 mm – it could be painted like a Royal Allemande in Austrian Service.

Murvihill11 Aug 2017 9:28 a.m. PST

So a French regiment named the "Royal German" regiment served in the Austrian army?

von Winterfeldt11 Aug 2017 10:26 a.m. PST

Yes in the Militär Almanach of 1796 you find

Royal Allemand (actual name in the Almanach)

one Division (here two squadrons) of dragoons, 500 men

dark blue coat and crimson facings

colonel : Mandel
Lt colonel : Speth

also don't forget that French hussars regiments deserted as well

Saxe Husaren

one divison of 400 men, green pelisses and red trousers

colonel Gottesheim

Bercseny Husaren

1 Division of 400 men

colonel Frönelle

blue dolman and red trousers

Musketier Supporting Member of TMP11 Aug 2017 2:53 p.m. PST

@ Murvihill: From the Austrian perspective, by changing sides under the French Revolution they kept their oath of loyalty to the royal family, and in particular to the (Austrian-born) Queen Marie Antoinette, which they were waiting to escort out of France, so the regiment was honoured through upholding its French name. Austrian Dragoon Regt. no. 12 carried their tradition until 1918.

HappyHussar12 Aug 2017 7:52 a.m. PST

Thanks for the information on the Saxe and Bercseny Husaren. I will have to go back into my files to see if these units are used in any of the order of battle files I have built.

Note: this inquiry is for a historical computer game on the wars of the First and Second Coalition in France, Germany, Holland, Austrian Netherlands and Switzerland (N.Italy having already been covered in another title).

After having researched this era 1792-1800 I really would love to paint several miniatures forces of this period. French, Dutch Republic, Hanover and Austria would top my list.

HappyHussar12 Aug 2017 8:18 a.m. PST

According to a table I am viewing the 1st (Bercheny) Hussars did not change to red trousers until at the earliest 1799. Before then they wore sky blue pelisse, dolman, waistcoat, breeches with red facings.

Are you saying that the emigre' unit had red breeches? Would you happen to have a link to an image of the Bercheny hussars during 1796?

von Winterfeldt12 Aug 2017 9:30 a.m. PST

Yes, the emigré unit had red trousers, at least that I could find in the 1795 Militär Almanach, there is no link for an immage, it is just there water coloured in a small rectancular box in the Miliär Almanach (for each regiments)

You can download the Militär Almanach from the net.

the best quality are those from czech republic – they even show the rectanculars in colour and also the fold outs of some emigré units, or foreign units in Austrian service, alas in black and white only

try

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To add – Prince de Essling supplied very nice immages – I think from the ASK Brown collection, there is also an immage of Bourbon or Berseny Husars in Austrian service, it shows dark blue trousers

Also the Sacs Hussaren are to be found, also different to the information of the Almanch in quite a spectacular uniform.

You could use any Austrian Hussar miniature modell from the Revolution, in 18 mm for example AB – to paint those units.

Prince of Essling Supporting Member of TMP12 Aug 2017 9:47 a.m. PST

From: 1796. Troupes étrangeres au service de l'Autriche à la fin du XVIIIème siècle
De Saxe circa 1796
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1st (Bercheny) Hussars
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von Winterfeldt12 Aug 2017 12:12 p.m. PST

Yes, that are the prints, a lot of other usefull ones about other free corps etc. exist as well.

Maybe also Grouvel did discuss those units in his epic volumes about the emigré units.

von Winterfeldt12 Aug 2017 12:37 p.m. PST

more details could well be found in Grouvel volume III

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HappyHussar13 Aug 2017 9:11 p.m. PST

Excellent prints! Thanks.

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