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VVV reply08 Aug 2017 11:49 a.m. PST

One of my playtesters wants to run a Canadian army so I am looking for details.
All I have so far is the squad organisation (slightly different from the British)
NCO with SMG, NCO with rifle (goes off with Bren team), Bren team (2) and 8 riflemen.
Use the same tanks as the British, from Matildas to Sherman Fireflies. Of course have various RAM APCs made from different vehicles.
Anyone got more info please?

Starfury Rider08 Aug 2017 12:17 p.m. PST

Well the Canadian Army largely used the same WE as the British Army for the majority of its units, though there were some exceptions. Rifle Company wasn't one of those, so the same as the British model. It depends what period you're looking for, early war or Italy and NWE. The British 11-man Section (and in the Canadian Army it was likewise termed a Section, not a Squad) came in just before Dunkirk and was reduced to ten during 1941. As of 1943 the Canadian Rifle Company was the same as the British.

Coy HQ;

3 Orderlies (each with bicycle)

Major and Batman-driver (Jeep)

Storeman and Batman-driver (15-cwt)
CSM and Driver-mechanic (15-cwt truck)
Clerk and Driver IC (15-cwt truck)

Driver-mechanic (carrier with three PIATs and 2-in mortar)

Captain and two snipers (marching) and CQMS (in Admin Pl transport)

Three Rifle Platoons, each;

Lieutenant, Sergeant, Batman, Orderly (with bicycle)
2-inch Mortar sub-Section (L-Cpl and two men)

Three Rifle Sections, each Corporal and nine men (as British with L-Cpl and two men in the Gun Group, six men in the Rifle Group and Sec Cmdr).

Gary

VVV reply08 Aug 2017 12:44 p.m. PST

Great, just the info I needed. I will proceed with the list.

genew49 Supporting Member of TMP08 Aug 2017 12:44 p.m. PST

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BattleCaptain08 Aug 2017 2:18 p.m. PST

Tanks: other than Churchills at Dieppe, Shermans only.

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP08 Aug 2017 2:31 p.m. PST

Of course have various RAM APCs made from different vehicles.

Of course have various KANGAROO APCs made from different vehicles, including RAMs.

There, fixed it for ya. ;)

The first Kangaroos were made from US-supplied Priest (M7) SPGs. They saw first service in August of 1944 (with Canadian forces, as it was a Canadian-spawned idea, generally credited to Lt. General Simmonds of II Corps, First Canadian Army). Only after these "de-frocked Priests" were returned to US Army control did they start converting Ram tanks in the UK (training vehicles) to be Kangaroos. They started seeing service in September or October, IIRC, and dominated the Kangaroo role in Canadian service.

The Brits also used Shermans as Kangaroos in Italy. But I don't think there were instances of Canadian use of Sherman Kangaroos. Could be wrong on that…

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1))

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP08 Aug 2017 3:44 p.m. PST

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The LOB (Left out of Battle) system was strongly embraced by the Canadians, and combined with chronic severe shortages of infantry replacements meant that units were always understrength after their first engagemnet. Commanders were free to improvise their actual order of battle as they saw fit. I think the more common option was to field 2 full strength platoons instead of 3 partial. The Bren guns from the disbanded platoon could be issued out to the remaining 2.

wardog13 Aug 2017 12:37 p.m. PST

mark1
these "de-frocked Priests" were returned to US Army control
what did they do with them ,were they just scrapped ,never heard US Army using them as apc

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