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Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 7:37 a.m. PST

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Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 8:57 a.m. PST

These are really imaginative as they are simply standing at ease. How much have we been asking for such?

On a battlefield, surely infantry spent 99% of their time doing anything but charging with bayonets fixed. But what do we get in 28mm (funny that 15/18mm figures are better than that)?

Realism cries out for a firing line, at ease, or even cowering/lying down prostate! (If they had any sense).

Suggestion to encourage interest and sales. Show some painted and show some next to established ranges to ensure these are not monsters or midgets.

I do have to say that the casting looks superbly defined.

You did say British Line was on the way…….Light Infantry would be too much to ask. (and I do admit commercially "challenging")

Personal logo Scott MacPhee Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 9:47 a.m. PST

Prostrate, deadhead, prostrate. Prostate is something else entirely. :-)

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 9:59 a.m. PST

OMG….and I am in the trade as well. What an error!

I, three years ago, asked a mate, who is a urologist, same age as me, in the coffee room, between cases, if he would have his PSA checked as a screen. He laughed and said not one of his peer colleagues would. If you knew what a suspicious result required and what route they use for the needle biopsies and how reliable are the results…..

I think Three Armies could be "major players" with releases like these. The challenge is the initial investment and risk…the need for publicity….early sales.

Show some painted figures and prove that they work with the ranges most folk already have. My impression is that they could be much better than most…….

Anthony Barton06 Aug 2017 11:14 a.m. PST

I've made some ranges with Order Arms figures, just standing there , for years, on precisely the premise you mention : that's what soldiers mostly do… They are not popular, and people prefer the marching ones

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 11:22 a.m. PST

I think you mean those wonderful figures that are not in TOTS (The One True Scale).

I did encounter many of them while working on a series of carriages outside my comfort zone and did realise why everyone said go for AB in 15/18mm scale. So many in that scale are of human proportions and not ridiculously "heroically" animated.

But, if you are to make a living, you must meet what the dice throwing community wants. Let's face it, they will buy figures by the hundreds, if not thousands.

But, like Anakin Skywalker (terrible actor) too late for me to scale change now is this (or was that Yoda?)….something to do with Darkside summat.

Porthos06 Aug 2017 11:30 a.m. PST

This is a good use of the Kickstarter possibility. Often too much risk is asked from one-person-shops. I am sure that there is a market for "special figures" (like standing around, of which pose very fortunate – see for instance Perry's B.I.F. Foot Guards – more are being added, or only sensible female figures, as offered by Anny of Bad Squido Games fame).
And ber assured those figures would not be only for collectors: who wouldn't want his second line on the table standing, waiting, instead of firing or charging into the backs of their own ?

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 11:45 a.m. PST

Well now I am interested. I have been onto Google about "Bad Squido" etc, expecting to find figures of young ladies of outstanding proportions, in skimpy Napoleonic uniforms. Nothing wrong with that, if you do not mind being seen looking at that sort of thing, by the females in your life. Instead, some superb historical models, but I cannot find anything for our era. Impressed nonetheless.

Even more cryptic tho'. "Perry's BIF Foot Guards"….more being added…tell us more. British Infantry Foot I hope?

Bavarian I could live with…did they have Guards?

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 12:22 p.m. PST

Fortunately Deadhead and Porthos I'm not in desperate need of sales in order to increase the range, and I have other income. I know sales will come with time I'm no newbie to Wargames figure manufacture. I build my own moulds and do my own sculpture. Wow what a coincidence Tony Barton should post on here, it was indeed the excellent figures doing the self same thing in your 18mm ranges that actually inspired me to do these. In contrast to your experiences, these figure by far are my best sellers even the marching French, but these are indeed Early days. I have WIP for Austrians and British in the same poses, and many more nations in progress. And scale wise I have size comparison on the Home page of the web site as the figures match spot on with Perry plastics.

Lord Hill06 Aug 2017 12:32 p.m. PST

I love these standing figs, and am really looking forward to the British.

I wish more standing horses were available too, especially in plastic but I am resigned to painting masses of 28mm cavalry all charging at full pelt. As argued above, cavalry and infantry spent the vast majority of all battles standing and not fighting. In my opinion it looks daft having all cavalry charging, sabres rattling.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 12:43 p.m. PST

your Lordship when I get to the cavalry, that was one of my priorities to have standing figures for them too. Sadly i doubt many more expansions to the plastics would include a diverse pose like this I doubt it would even pay for the moulds. In plastic the risks are MUCH higher. ;)

Cerdic Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 10:54 p.m. PST

These are nice figures.

I picked up a sample figure at Salute this year and looks a good fit for the general Perry/Victrix size range.

I've been planning to put a couple of comparison photos up but haven't got round to it yet! Busy summer….

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Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 11:02 p.m. PST

Even more useful on Cerdic's website is a directory of all 28mm manufacturers!

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"When I get to the cavalry", now that will be something o anticipate too

Porthos07 Aug 2017 3:47 a.m. PST

Deadhead: Sorry for the late answer, I am not too often here..
B.I.F. = British Intervention Force, a "what-if" made by the Perry's for the American Civil War. After the Trent-affair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_American_Civil_War)
the aforementioned Force lands in the US to assist the Confederates. Here are the figures I mentioned: link
Although not for the Napoleonic period, still a proof that not everyone just makes charging figures.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP07 Aug 2017 4:13 a.m. PST

Perry miniatures do actually have French infantry for Waterloo standing around too! And Cerdic, Thanks for the "pat on the back" The Austrians and Britishh are in the next mould run sometime next 2 weeks. Spanish now have Grenadiers added and the 1806 Prussians have Fusiliers. Many more walking things and nations to mould, before I attend to the four legged creatures, and big things that go bang at the end of this year.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP07 Aug 2017 4:15 a.m. PST
stoneman1810 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member07 Aug 2017 7:45 a.m. PST

I love the AB British infantry "standing around". Alas I only do French Napoleonics. I would be a buyer for French infantry "standing around". One of my favorite units (from AB) is the mounted Grenadiers of the Guard on standing horses. They have a dignity and gravitas which is very appealing.

Murvihill07 Aug 2017 8:30 a.m. PST

Logically I'd expect to see some soldiers sitting back-to-back (or backpack-to-backpack) too, but I'm not sure if that was allowed back then.

cavalry47 Inactive Member07 Aug 2017 10:01 a.m. PST

It is lovely to see Anthony Barton replying on Three Armies standing figures and Three Armies being honest that the Perry Brothers do Standing figures. (It is a shame that rule makers can't be as courteous to one another)

I have Mr Barton's wonderful figures and have standing as well as March Attack The French Guard is standing and most of the others are in March Attack.

I think the Wargaming community "forget" our troops when not being moved, so when it comes to our turn we only look at units we want to move and low and behold they are ready to march.

The rest remain ignored except the French Guard who both sides cast an eye on each turn and both sides are reassured that they are not on the March

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP07 Aug 2017 12:17 p.m. PST

thank you Cavalry47, most artists will have mutual appreciation as standard, and the competitive edge is always missing, not a good thing I know, but without artists you would not have gaming figures. For me I too love the AB range and the Perry range of course and I have a large collection of both. I too should probably have done the Guard in this pose but really I wanted to make my mistakes on the lesser ranks first!

Markconz07 Aug 2017 3:02 p.m. PST

Lovely looking figures TA.

Any plans for Wurttembergers? There's a lack of these matching Perry at present.

4th Cuirassier07 Aug 2017 3:39 p.m. PST

I don't like firing lines because they look stupid shooting each other in the back or blazing away at the side of a building miles from any enemy.

Marching figures look equally silly at grips with the enemy but this is such a small part of their participation in most games that on balance it matters less.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP07 Aug 2017 4:01 p.m. PST

Yes Wurttembergers are definitely on my radar.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP08 Aug 2017 1:10 a.m. PST

Firing lines look great if one is simply a modeller, but clearly daft on a wargames table.

But they are harder to find than you might think.

I long wanted the 71st/52nd/95th as a long firing line, purely to look at, I stress.

Firing figures in 28mm tend to be skirmish types, with many kneeling also. In the end, with some hesitation, I went with Perrys Plastic British and was astonished at the quality of the casting. OK, Victrix arms are slightly better for me, as they have Light Infantry wings and far better muskets. The end result (nearly there) and though I say so myself……………………….95th will be the biggest challenge to model in line formation as for that bttn at Waterloo

I do look forward to seeing the Three (more like 5 actually) Armies range expand and develop further. Great work.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP08 Aug 2017 3:21 a.m. PST

lol if you look at my dreaming, it's more like 500 Armies.

Markconz08 Aug 2017 10:09 p.m. PST

"Yes Wurttembergers are definitely on my radar."

Glad to hear it, cheers! :)

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2017 4:34 a.m. PST

Yes, but time is my only enemy lol

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