Editor in Chief Bill | 02 Aug 2017 11:43 a.m. PST |
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jefritrout | 02 Aug 2017 11:46 a.m. PST |
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Dynaman8789 | 02 Aug 2017 11:57 a.m. PST |
Frank Chadwick – of course he is new school too. |
aegiscg47 | 02 Aug 2017 12:05 p.m. PST |
Frank Chadwick for all of the GDW 120 series games and The Third World War system,, which is brilliant. Richard Hamblen-Magic Realm and Victory in the Pacific And of course, Bill Armintrout for one of my favorite microgrames; Hotspot |
skipper John | 02 Aug 2017 12:18 p.m. PST |
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Mick the Metalsmith | 02 Aug 2017 12:23 p.m. PST |
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rustymusket | 02 Aug 2017 12:29 p.m. PST |
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Marianas Gamer | 02 Aug 2017 12:29 p.m. PST |
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ColCampbell | 02 Aug 2017 12:33 p.m. PST |
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miniMo | 02 Aug 2017 12:54 p.m. PST |
Steve Jackson is the oldest of my favorites. Ogre is the only game from the '70's that I'm still actively playing today. |
rmaker | 02 Aug 2017 1:01 p.m. PST |
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Ed Mohrmann | 02 Aug 2017 1:23 p.m. PST |
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MajorB | 02 Aug 2017 1:30 p.m. PST |
If there is only one, it has to be Featherstone. But I'd also include: Bgdr. Peter Young J.P. Lawford Charlie Wesencraft Charles Grant Fred Jane Fletcher Pratt |
Wackmole9 | 02 Aug 2017 1:31 p.m. PST |
Larry Brom and Fletcher Pratt |
DisasterWargamer | 02 Aug 2017 1:38 p.m. PST |
Featherstone HG Wells Gygax Grant |
COL Scott ret | 02 Aug 2017 1:44 p.m. PST |
It must be Charles Grant, his was entitled "The Wargame" therefore it must be so. Of course many of them were chums so I understand. |
COL Scott ret | 02 Aug 2017 1:44 p.m. PST |
Hey Bill this would make a pretty good poll. |
Blutarski | 02 Aug 2017 2:46 p.m. PST |
Gygax? Isn't that the name of a slimy avaricious subterranean creature in Jim Arneson's D&D world? Favorite old school game designer? For me, Vietmeyer. If this were a thread regarding "important" old school game designers, I'd feel obligated to toss in the name of that crusty, disagreeable Phil Barker. B |
MajorB | 02 Aug 2017 2:51 p.m. PST |
crusty, disagreeable Phil Barker. Have you ever met him? |
miniMo | 02 Aug 2017 2:54 p.m. PST |
@Blutarski, you forgot to put your [correctly] pointed commentary in the form of a nomination: Jim Arneson! |
DisasterWargamer | 02 Aug 2017 2:54 p.m. PST |
Blutarski – Before he did D&D he was involved in with Wargames rules with Chainmail, Dont Give, up the Ship, Cavaliers and Roundheads and others |
Winston Smith | 02 Aug 2017 3:31 p.m. PST |
Define "Old School". It all depends on when you got into The Hobby what you consider Old School. I got into Miniatures from SPI boardgames, some of which could be fiendishly complicated. So I missed out on the earlier Old School games that were a lot simpler. So even though I'm a card carrying Old Fart, my perception is different. My first Miniatures rules were WRG Ancients by Phil Barker. I expected that as my complexity level. Then on to 1776 by Joe Micelli. Think of it as from the WRG school. Then I tried The Sword and the Flame by Larry Brom, whose simplicity was refreshing. To me, Old School = Hard Work. I don't want to go back to that. I prefer TSATF. |
79thPA | 02 Aug 2017 4:51 p.m. PST |
Charles Grant was the first one that popped into my mind. |
Heisler | 02 Aug 2017 5:10 p.m. PST |
Frank Chadwick I still play rules and games he designed. |
Onomarchos | 02 Aug 2017 8:07 p.m. PST |
How about John Hill.I really loved Johnny Reb in its day. And the original squad leader provided lots of enjoyment for me |
Northern Monkey | 02 Aug 2017 9:15 p.m. PST |
TSATF is definitely old school. |
Chuckaroobob | 02 Aug 2017 9:21 p.m. PST |
Larry Brom and Frank Chadwick |
Oberlindes Sol LIC | 03 Aug 2017 2:10 a.m. PST |
Frank Chadwick: decades of great games (and I've been gaming for those same decades). |
Shaun Travers | 03 Aug 2017 5:12 a.m. PST |
Tony Bath. i have a soft spot for his ancient rules, although I have never them but really want to. And he did start the Society of Ancients. |
Legends In Time Skip | 03 Aug 2017 7:26 a.m. PST |
John Hill was a friend of mine and he introduced me to Johnny Reb & Squad Leader when I studied at Purdue University. A very good Game Designer. I'm also a huge fan of Brigadier General Peter Young and his rules "Charge", or how to play Wargames! I enjoy just reading the book and the story book feel it brings to the hobby. |
parrskool | 03 Aug 2017 8:31 a.m. PST |
D Featherstone C Grant T Bath D Rotor T Wise |
Blutarski | 03 Aug 2017 9:12 a.m. PST |
MajorB wrote – "Have you ever met him (Phil Barker)? Yes. Twice. I consider him an important game designer in the history of the hobby. I suspect that few nowadays recall the near total dominance his WRG Ancients rules exercised over ancient gaming. His armor/infantry rules were also widely played here in the states. His DBA/DBM/DBR series capstoned a very distinguished career as a game designer. Interpersonally, however, he could well have been IMO the inspiration for Doc Martin. YMMV. B |
Blutarski | 03 Aug 2017 9:52 a.m. PST |
Winston wrote - "Define "Old School". evil grin It all depends on when you got into The Hobby what you consider Old School." >>>>> I reside in the US. We were well behind the UK curve in terms of historical miniature gaming. Got into wargaming in the early 60s courtesy of AH (Tactics, pre-hex Gettysburg); discovered miniature wargaming around 1969-70 (Tractics, Vietmeyer's CLS, Arnold Hendricks' "1944") Winston wrote - "I got into Miniatures from SPI boardgames, some of which could be fiendishly complicated. So I missed out on the earlier Old School games that were a lot simpler. So even though I'm a card carrying Old Fart, my perception is different." >>>>> I agree that, compared to the present day, many of the old miniature rules were comparatively simple. But some were teeth-gnashingly complicated (Tractics, NavWar's Napoleonic Naval rules, Lou Zocchi's air combat rules for example). My opinion FWIW. Winston wrote - "My first Miniatures rules were WRG Ancients by Phil Barker. I expected that as my complexity level." I used to scrupulously avoid any WRG Ancients game played at our club. The running joke back then was: move for turn one; argue for four hours; shut the lights and go home. It is no surprise to me that WRG Ancients ran through SEVEN editions trying to get troop-type distinctions and game mechanics sorted … none of which was helped by Barker's often cryptic and opaque writing style. Winston wrote - "Then on to 1776 by Joe Micelli." >>>>> Joe Miceli(? fm NYC) was a great guy! Winston wrote - "Then I tried The Sword and the Flame by Larry Brom, whose simplicity was refreshing. To me, Old School = Hard Work. I don't want to go back to that. I prefer TSATF." >>>>> Simplicity of rule mechanics is an indisputable virtue. IMO, Vietmeyer's CLS showed that: 90pct of the game could be played without ever cracking open the rule book. Some authors come by it naturally; others must rely upon hard experience to appreciate its value; some just never seem to get it. From one Old Fart to another … ;-) B |
Bismarck | 03 Aug 2017 11:46 a.m. PST |
Larry Brom with nobody a close second. |
Herkybird | 03 Aug 2017 12:05 p.m. PST |
Another vote for Steve Jackson! |
x42brown | 03 Aug 2017 12:07 p.m. PST |
I have a liking for Ed Smith's rules. x42 |
FusilierDan | 03 Aug 2017 4:42 p.m. PST |
John Grossman gets my vote. The Complete Brigadier link Field Regulations link Lou Zocchi Hardtack link |
Khusrau | 04 Aug 2017 6:03 a.m. PST |
Featherstone, though the rules themselves have dated badly. Charles Grant, and Phil Barker. My own view is that for the UK at least, these were the Holy Trinity. Honourable mentions to the Brigadier, Wells, Wise, and Tony Bath. |
Mooseworks8 | 04 Aug 2017 8:15 p.m. PST |
Donald Featherstone Tony Bath Neil Thomas |
CATenWolde | 05 Aug 2017 1:29 a.m. PST |
Of the ones that I actually play, Larry Brom. Has Rich Hasenauer's F&F been around long enough now to be considered "old school"? Seems strange for what was such an innovative set of rules at the time. Neil Thomas' new rules seem very old school to me, despite being recently published. Ancient and Medieval Wargaming is a real gem, and would rank second after TSATF. Does old school mean "old authors/games" or just style of play? |
Ottoathome | 05 Aug 2017 12:30 p.m. PST |
Moreschauser hands down. He made the modern war game. movement trays, roster systems, morale checks, force pools organizations, naval games, campaigns, ship to shore firing. Als0 complete rule systems, the same system of mechanics for all three periods. Featherstone is just a collection of suggestions. Moreschauser is the father of the modern war game. |
UshCha | 06 Aug 2017 1:28 a.m. PST |
Phil Barker, some of his rules were head and shoulders above the rest. Featherstone as he got me into the game but he wrote poor rules that would not stand up now. HG Wells 'cos he was old, well written but not my sort of game. |
23rdFusilier | 06 Aug 2017 6:00 a.m. PST |
Joe Moreschauser : my first war game book, and still captures what I look for in a game and rules. Larry Brom: his systems of fun game for many period capture the joy of playing. Fred Vietmeyer: first games i played and will always remember fondly. Dick Bryant: not rules but his (old) Courier newsletter/magazine was my start into this glorious hobby. Thank you sir! |
Rick Don Burnette | 07 Aug 2017 5:24 p.m. PST |
Paddy Griffith Michael Korns Ned Zuparko and as we included Chadwick. Hill and others James F Dunnigan |
Blutarski | 07 Aug 2017 9:10 p.m. PST |
If we are going to mention Paddy Griffith, it is only right to honor George Jeffreys, whom I consider to have been a seminal thinker for a new approach to Horse & Musket gaming and a creative gaming intellect who left us too soon. I often wonder where he might have taken his concept of "the variable length bound" had he lived longer. +1 on Zuparko. B |
thehawk | 08 Aug 2017 3:17 a.m. PST |
I'm not sure that I have a single favorite as many designers have had great ideas, most of which are still relevant today. The ones that interest me the most are Featherstone, Grant, Young/Lawford, Hendrick, Wesely, Griffith, Jeffreys, Tarr, whoever designed A Crown Of Paper ……. |
Great War Ace | 08 Aug 2017 8:01 a.m. PST |
Milton Bradley. There can be only one. Everything followed Milton creating miniature centered boardgames. |
Great War Ace | 08 Aug 2017 8:02 a.m. PST |
Before that, you'd have to let "Grok" take credit: line 'em up and knock 'em down with rocks. Every boy in the world knows that game! |
Deucey | 11 Aug 2017 11:06 a.m. PST |
This is just a list of obscure names unless you put what games they are known for! |
Asterix | 25 Oct 2017 8:58 a.m. PST |
Featherstone Tony Bath Lionel Tarr Neil Thomas |