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28 Jul 2017 8:46 a.m. PST
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abc wargamers28 Jul 2017 2:10 a.m. PST

I am converting and painting some 1864/66 Austrian infantry. Did they ever leave their back packs off in battle. It wasn't unknown for British Infantry and others to leave their back packs off at the start of set piece battle (e.g Waterloo assuming the film is right! )just taking ammunition and water. Was this the case in for the Austrians and others in the 1864 and 1866 wars or were the battles too mobile?

Any help/guidance greatly appreciated

Volleyfire28 Jul 2017 2:29 a.m. PST

Every painting I've seen of the period seems to show virtually every infantryman of whatever army always carrying his backpack at all times.

Ramming28 Jul 2017 6:53 a.m. PST

Certainly the French were known to shuck their pack before battle in 1870, I think Prussians too but I'd need to check sources. Not sure about the Austrians I'm afraid.

Decebalus28 Jul 2017 7:51 a.m. PST

The Northstar/Helion range has troopers in greatcoat and without backpack. It is a very good researched range, so maybe …

But Volleyfire is right, all pictures i have of austrians are with backpack, even the ones in Kittel.

abc wargamers28 Jul 2017 9:48 a.m. PST

Many thanks for the comments to date. I am really hoping that the Kittle -white coat – can be worn without back packs. I agree that all the paintings – except where troops are in retreat – tend to show 'full dress'. I was hoping that this is the same sort of artist licence that I take when choosing and painting my figures.

Ramming28 Jul 2017 9:49 a.m. PST

No kittels in 1866, greatcoat order throughout the entire infantry, line and jaeger. The men wore a smock beneath the coat, the officers wore the white kittel and sash with the coat left open.

Royal Marine07 Sep 2017 2:53 a.m. PST

I think it is perfectly reasonable for all infantry to go into battle with backpacks dropped and stowed in a ground dump area. Moving around a battlefield in contact with the enemy requires a degree of freedom of movement (even when in formed units) so local commanders will have given orders for this to happen. However, no doubt some units may have continued to wear them at a disadvantage. This can be reflected in poor training/morale status on the tabletop.

My Austrians for the 1859/1866 period all wear white which I know will cause problems for historical correctness. But my wargames Austrian Quartermaster General is an old school 1859 man and had not received the order for the greatcoats to be worn, so they fight in white, and some of them have backpack (usually the Hungarians).

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