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TacticalPainter0127 Jul 2017 6:56 p.m. PST

We've got down close to the finish line now. This is scenario 5 and the Germans have two shots at winning this for campaign victory. So far they've been virtually unstoppable. The Paras have come close on a few occasions, but the Germans, with only one exception, have always managed to claim scenario victory. This has been a very enjoyable campaign and while things have felt very tough for the Paras, it is far from being unbalanced. Here's the full AAR of the scenario:

Kampfgruppe Von Luck Scenario 5

If you haven't been following the campaign progress to date, all the AARs can be found here:

Von Luck Campaign AARs



brucka27 Jul 2017 10:11 p.m. PST

Tense and tactically 'rich' decision game.

Just curious, could PIATs fire 2" mortar rounds?

TacticalPainter0127 Jul 2017 11:51 p.m. PST

No, PIAT fires an AT round but not smoke. The 2" mortar was behind the chateau and was firing indirectly with a unit spotting for it. I don't think it features in any of the AAR pictures.

brucka31 Jul 2017 10:01 a.m. PST

Didn't mean that to sound nit-pickery and not in reference to your game. Just wondered if a (glorified mortar) Piat could lob 2" mortar shells in a pinch, or did they make specific smoke rounds for it?

Khusrau31 Jul 2017 12:39 p.m. PST

As I understand it, the PIAT only used AT rounds.

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2017 3:58 p.m. PST

The Military Factory website indicates HE and Smoke projetiles were available for the PIAT:

Despite its intended use as an anti-armor weapon by way of its High-Explosive, Anti-Tank (HEAT) standard projectile, the tactical value of the PIAT was slightly greater than that of the famous Panzerschreck and Bazooka for it was also cleared to fire a High-Explosive (HE) grenade and a smoke version…


However, I have not found further details on, or even evidence to corroborate the existence of these rounds.

PIAT ammunition types, from a 1945 training poster:

As I interpret it, these are all sequential improvements on HEAT (anti-tank) rounds. But it is possible that the Mk III and Mk IV rounds are HE.

These are the training rounds.

Pictures from

(aka: Mk 1)

TacticalPainter0131 Jul 2017 4:18 p.m. PST

Chain of Command has no provision for smoke from a PIAT and I can't recall ever reading of an instance of it occurring in a combat situation. CoC has a provision for a PIAT to fire at a non-vehicular target for its HE effect, but the crew cannot do so without an order from the platoon commander or the sergeant.

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