ChrisBBB2  | 27 Jul 2017 4:28 a.m. PST |
Forgive me saying so but I am perplexed by the terrain. It doesn't look much like the Rivoli battlefield to me. Am I misunderstanding something? Chris |
| Arch Duke charles | 27 Jul 2017 4:56 a.m. PST |
I agree with this, the layout is all wrong, even the river is in the wrong place?.
Darren |
| Valmy92 | 27 Jul 2017 6:02 a.m. PST |
Any idea what modifications they used? How they structured forces and formations for such small armies without a corps structure?
Thanks,
Phil |
| ChrisBBB2 | 27 Jul 2017 8:54 a.m. PST |
TWC, I realise this wasn't an 'official' TWC ESR game. I wasn't knocking ESR – I've only heard good things about it, and would be interested to try a game of it myself some time. And a convention game should first and foremost be a game, not an exercise in historical pedantry, so if all concerned had a good time, great, well done. I wouldn't normally have quibbled like this, except that I have been looking very closely at Rivoli recently and it is quite near to my heart. That Wikipedia map is not a great source. Chris |
| ChrisBBB2 | 27 Jul 2017 1:36 p.m. PST |
"Speaking of maps, there is an excellent map available that someone on another message board pointed out to me" – yep, that was me too! Chris |
| Nine pound round | 27 Jul 2017 5:03 p.m. PST |
One occasional poster on this forum did a magnificent 10mm Rivoli board a few years bak; here's a link: TMP link For connoisseurs of rough terrain, it's a field with few equals. |
| ChrisBBB2 | 28 Jul 2017 1:34 a.m. PST |
"One occasional poster on this forum did a magnificent 10mm Rivoli board a few years bak" Sadly I see that same misleading Wikipedia map seems to have been used as the primary reference. :-( The map TWC reposted above is better. The Rivoli position can be characterized roughly as two concentric semi-circles of hills – generally with gentle slopes facing the enemy, and steeper slopes on the inside towards Rivoli. The Wikipedia map seems to be derived primarily from a very simplified schematic one in, I think, Chandler. |
| Nine pound round | 28 Jul 2017 4:56 a.m. PST |
I think he typically uses the West Point atlas that was drawn up to accompany Yorck Von Wartenburg's "Napoleon as a General." Very similar to the later and better known "West Point Atlas of the Napoleonic Wars," as both maps were drawn by the USMA History Department's long-serving and very talented cartographer, Edward Krasnoborski. I have both versions; similar but not identical, but I think the older book might be better suited to terrain building, because the coloring of terrain features is notably darker. |
| Mike the Analyst | 28 Jul 2017 7:43 a.m. PST |
Some pictures if it helps. The game
link The Map link Two Pictures from point A taken in 2005 link link Essentially there is dead ground at x-x behind the hills of Trombalora (B---B---B). The heights or San Marco are at C-C. I think the game is not wrong, it just underestimates the mountainous nature of San Marco and dues not have the Trombalora hills correctly raised above the plateau and providing a strong defensive position. |
| Nine pound round | 28 Jul 2017 10:01 a.m. PST |
Just to clarify, I was referring to Xin's Rivoli build in the post above, not talking about the Historicon terrain. |
| HappyHussar | 28 Jul 2017 10:26 a.m. PST |
Those Austrian units that traversed the mountain were in wretched state for the battle. Pretty much worn out. Wonder if they took that into account? |
 McLaddie | 28 Jul 2017 11:08 a.m. PST |
I would be interested in hearing how ESR did with the battle considering it involved a lot of maneuvering. |
goes to sea with the Terrain Mat.
