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Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2017 1:49 p.m. PST

Looking at the wiki page on the battle of lobositz(yes not the best source)

The Austrians lost only 10 more men rha than the prussians. Also Prussians had the tactical victory while Austria got the strategic victory.

This sounds like a fixed match to me.

But this might have bigger ramifications.

The whole war was quite even. Both sides had their shares of major victories and major losses.

It's almost like Lobositz was a signal; this war will be much more even than the last two.
And that of course means that potentially the whole war was staged and fixed from the start.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2017 2:21 p.m. PST

Well, purely in the abstract, I wouldn't put it past Frederick, but Her Imperial Majesty the Empress Maria Theresa would never have consented to such a thing.

Also there's the old "cui bono?" (No, NOT Cher's ex, and not the "aid to Africa" fellow, either.) The SYW may be beloved of Old School wargamers, but it cost both monarchs a fortune without changing any borders, and it's not as though they made it up on ticket sales. Real phony wars are cheap and bloodless. See Russia's war with Austria in 1809, or the terrors of America's state of war with Finland during WWII.

Now, maybe the bookies fronted the War of Bavarian Succession.

lloydthegamer Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2017 3:34 p.m. PST

Uh, Robert, the US was never at war with Finland. We made lots of threatening noises, but I don't think we actually declared war on them.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2017 5:40 p.m. PST

Hmmm. My mother told me otherwise, and she was old enough to remember.

No matter! The Flames of War people tell me that the UK did, though the US did not--and what could be more accurate than the FOW website? Substitute "Britain's War with Finland during WWII."

Trying to remember which Central American republic declared war on Japan following Pear Harbor--actually faster than we did. Another high-intensity operation, though one appreciates the sentiment.

Winston Smith25 Jul 2017 6:24 p.m. PST

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rmaker26 Jul 2017 9:47 a.m. PST

Actually, Finland declared "a state of hostility" with the US to satisfy its German ally. The US ignored it.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2017 7:50 a.m. PST

Actually America did plan an invasion of Finland. But after hearing about the White Death and the hakapelita. The casualty projection said 700 million dead American soldiers the first week of invasion. So they scrapped the whole idea.

Retiarius927 Jul 2017 8:22 a.m. PST

makes me want to watch Barry Lyndon again, great movie

Old Contemptibles Supporting Member of TMP30 Jul 2017 6:33 p.m. PST

Thank goodness we dropped Little Boy on Helsinki and we saved all those American and Finish lives.

Old Contemptibles Supporting Member of TMP30 Jul 2017 6:45 p.m. PST


During WWII the United States declared war on Japan, Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania. I am guessing that the US declared war on these three minor German allies because we were conducting bombing missions in those countries.

I bet the declaration of wars took place just before one of the big bombing raids on those countries. Might also have something to do with the fact that Finland did not declare war on the US. I do believe Canada and Britain declared war on Finland. Anyone want to check this out, feel free.

How did we get from Lobositz to WWII Finland?

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