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Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2017 7:20 a.m. PST

I am looking at the Pell's Point scenario in BG Scenarios book 4, page 11. The map on page 13 shows marshes and a water meadow on the left side of the map. Does the marshes and water meadow have any effect on the game? If the effects are in the scenario I can't find it.

historygamer13 Jul 2017 3:40 p.m. PST

I am posting this reply on behalf of SM:

The author says the terrain features he mentions are impassable and simply constrict the table width? Thanks. (Any questions, come back to me.) Or me here. :-)

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP21 Jul 2017 5:39 a.m. PST

Does that answer your question, Rallynow?

NY Irish25 Jul 2017 11:35 a.m. PST

I know Pelham quite well and, while I don't know the game scenario, in real life the battle/skirmish was fought along a rather narrow front. The Split Rock Road ran along the Hutchinson River which was marshy but not very wide. When the Americans tore up the bridge the British did not/could not cross.

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2017 11:52 a.m. PST

NY Irish Be very careful, as local historians have (mostly unintentionally) corrupted the narrative of the battle and also where exactly it was fought, mostly by wildly over-estimating Crown numbers (eg they put both battalions of the Hesse Cassel Garde there, based on the grenadier battalion having the two Garde companies) and getting the initial British landing point wrong.

One flank (Crown left/American right) of the battlefield was bordered by the marshes and river, the other (Crown right/American left) by a steep valley; the former had no crossing points, the latter two one in the middle of the battlefield, the other near to the American camp.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2017 12:34 p.m. PST

Boy the bug is posting stuff from an entirely different board here with my name. We need an exterminator.


That actually did not answer my question but I am pressing on. I am on the clubs schedule for October, Harlem Heights and in November I am running Pell's Point. My club seems to enjoy my AWI games. I am the only one here doing AWI so I have it all to myself.

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2017 7:52 a.m. PST

They impact the game by being impassable. How does that not answer your question?

NY Irish26 Jul 2017 11:52 a.m. PST

I can't seem to understand at all how the Crown right could be described as a steep valley. There is nothing like that in Pelham. To the Crown right could only be described as a slight rise and the end point of the skirmish would see some hills to the Crown left/front facing the bridge over the Hutchinson River at what is today Sanford Blvd. The old local historian who you describe Super Max has long been corrected around here. A local just dug up a canon ball just last year.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2017 12:11 p.m. PST

You are correct SM It did answer my specific question.

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2017 10:41 p.m. PST

NY Irish – the ground has been landscaped extensively to create, inter alia, a golf course. Both flanks of the battlefield were also wooded.

NY Irish27 Jul 2017 10:38 a.m. PST

The golf course, yes, but the running retreat continued well past that. Anyway, his question re: the game scenario is answered

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