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Poniatowski06 Jul 2017 6:40 a.m. PST

Folks, it is that time again…. I know most of you are thinking about Hcon 2017… I hope to see a lot of you there!

BUT….. events for Fall-In! 2017 opened June 19th…. as promised. Very few have either remembered this or taken advantage of it.

What does this mean to you? Event submission for the PEL will be closing a lot sooner than you might be thinking!

So.. GET OUT TO THE FALL-IN! 2017 web site and get your games in so they will be in the PEL!!!!

Thank you all for your continued support!!!


Poniatowski06 Jul 2017 7:24 a.m. PST

I also wanted to add….. there will be a midnight madness flea market….

I have not decided if I will move another session OR add an additional one. It will be experimental and highly regulated.

Cost will be the same or possibly cheaper…. more on that later.

Virginia Tory Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2017 9:19 a.m. PST

Working on it! Hey, at least I did my room reservation.

Personal logo Don Manser Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2017 9:39 a.m. PST

How many open gaming tables will be unavailable due to the midnight flea market?

peterx Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2017 8:11 p.m. PST

It seems like the HMGS site is down, as well as the Fall In! 2017 site. So, my GM sign up might have to wait.

Ember52 Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2017 8:41 p.m. PST

Just tried the HMGS and Fall-in! sites. They both seem to be up and running.

Personal logo Moe the Great Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2017 4:53 a.m. PST

What's the dates?

jpipes Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2017 5:32 a.m. PST

The open gaming folks are not going to be happy about the midnight madness. Have you seen how packed that area is in the evenings with gaming?? I'm all for more flea markets. It was done at Hcon a few years ago and it was a flop. Will be interesting to see how many people show up especially the dealers since part of the argument is that they want this so they can attend too.

Personal logo Jlundberg Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2017 5:44 p.m. PST

Have my room reservations and submitted 3 games – all on an arctic table

Personal logo capncarp Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2017 7:52 a.m. PST

Fall-In 2017 PEL is to be published September 20. <makes arithmetical gestures in the air while the two brain cells flash bravely in the darkened void, trying to establish a long-abandoned connection> Thaaaaaaatttssss….muttermuttergrumble, carry the 2….. 62 days!

Jon spake: "Have my room reservations and submitted 3 games all on an arctic table"

Gee, I'll bet that is not a Stalingrad game you're planning, Jon…. B^D

Personal logo capncarp Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2017 8:19 a.m. PST

Hey, Dan:
Do you think mentioning that Lancaster is on the Amtrak Philly-to-Harrisburg Keystone Route would be of service to those thinking of attending?

Also, the train stops in Middletown, which is where Harrisburg International Airport is, for those who are flying in.

Personal logo Bowman Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2017 8:25 a.m. PST

The open gaming folks are not going to be happy about the midnight madness. Have you seen how packed that area is in the evenings with gaming??

Count me in with the "open gaming folks". My friends and I pounce on a series of tables right at the end of the last flea market. We tend to put on big games with 6-8 players. Seriously, do the vendors want to spend their free time at a flea market? I thought they are usually chilling out or playing instead.

billclo23 Jul 2017 5:22 a.m. PST

I was one of those folk who did not notice that event submission had started so early, due to being busy with my kid underfoot all the time, it being summer. I checked the website last week, saw that events had to be submitted by August 21 (I think it was that date, but I wrote the 20th on my calendar as a reminder), failing to notice that it was the date for 2016!

Some kind soul updated the site shortly thereafter, putting up the new deadline for submission (July 21), but seemed to have not actually told any of the members. So I missed the deadline, thinking I had another month to get the game sorted out enough to submit it. No dice.

Yeah technically I can still submit it, but since it won't be in the PEL, and therefore attendance will stink, why bother?

A little communication would have helped a LOT in this case. Neither the HMGS Facebook page nor the Yahoo group had any mention of the new and improved date.

Be really helpful if the organization could actually make it easier for the members to run games.

T34forU23 Jul 2017 6:06 a.m. PST

Just had the same experience as billclo. I was on the site last week, and as of then, it was still showing as "TBD."

Well, as a GM who's run a game there for the last 10-12 years, I have no inclination to put on a game if I'm going to pay anyway.

Personal logo Colonel Bill Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 6:39 a.m. PST

Same here, and I think my entire Club Room (I'm in with the Carnage & Glory Club) got blindsided on this, so all of us and all our games missed the deadline as well.

Our coordinator, JS, checked and informed us on 20 July of the 21 Aug deadline, so that means the drop dead date was published the day of or day before it occurred? I dunno for sure, but seriously?

I've never supported free GMs because its only $ 20 to begin with, and really, have HMGS pay me for having fun and having my ego stroked? So its not about the money, to me its about (IMHO of course) a lack of attention to detail for an implied contract that is supposed to encourage GMs to attend. And Billclo is correct, absence in the PEL multiplies the chance of people not showing.

I really do understand that this is a non-profit corporation run by volunteers, so DO I think a little slack needs to be cut for these folks now and then. That said, there does need to be a minimum level of quality required. I'm a retired O-6, and spent the last 15 years in education management, so I hope I'm at least a little qualified to speak, and maybe there are some facts unknown, but if this happened on my watch nothing personal mind you and it wasn't corrected within 24 hours, someone would be unemployed.

JMTSW YMMV, Colonel Bill

historygamer Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 6:50 a.m. PST


historygamer Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 7:01 a.m. PST

Then count out my game and my friend's. Both PELA award winning GMs. Nice going guys.

Virginia Tory Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 9:20 a.m. PST

Yep. Guess my Indochina game will have to be unofficial.


Personal logo Jlundberg Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 9:44 a.m. PST

Is it true that the PEL deadline was July 21st?

historygamer Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 10:22 a.m. PST

It is, as that is what is posted now.

Given this misstep on the part of the staff, wouldn't it be reasonable to extend the deadline so the convention can register more games?

No offense, but requiring the info a quarter of a year in advance, falling a week after the last convention, and during the heart of family vacations – seems like the organization is expecting rather a lot from the volunteers who are the main draw for their convention.

I would also suggest that if the printing date of the program booklet is what is driving this – then perhaps it is time to question the time, effort and expense of that and consider alternatives that are cheaper and easier to update, and use modern technology like cell phones and other personal electronic devices.

billclo23 Jul 2017 11:12 a.m. PST

From what was posted on the Yahoo group, it looks to me like the biggest bottleneck is a) editing the database (maybe could be speeded up with more warm bodies?), and b) having YM (whoever they are) load the database, which can take a LONG time indeed.

I can tentatively accept why the deadline for event submission has to be so long in advance. BUT, we need to be told exactly when that is well in advance, not after it has passed. There should have been at least one, perhaps several email blasts and something on the Yahoo group and HMGS Facebook page as soon as this date was known.

I find it difficult to believe that upper management didn't know until a few days ago that the PEL deadline was 21st of July.

Given how long YM takes to get around to doing their job, would it be feasible to find another company to run the registration, etc, possibly speeding up that part of the process?

Personal logo Colonel Bill Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 11:13 a.m. PST

I assume its a misstep, but maybe not. While I also agree that 21 Jul 17 is way too early, had the deadline been published at the same time as the start date, I might bitch, but ultimately sux to be me as I was properly informed. Evidently this did not happen here.

So I actually have my event ready to go, just waiting for the final word from our Club Coordinator who also thought it was 21 August as of the 20th. And of course, nothing from HMGS as of yet.


Colonel Bill

historygamer Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 12:18 p.m. PST

YM has been a huge debacle, and is largely dependent on one or two people so I am told.

The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. The people who manage the official HMGS site the YM one and the FB page, are not the same page, nor likely communicating on a regular basis with the con staffs.

Why on earth isn't the convention events managers posting things on TMP, where a large majority of the gamers/GMS reside? There is nothing that likely says they have to, but the benefit is so self evident to be a no brainer.

The communications and timelines for Hcon and FI are stepping all over each other. One con too many? Maybe. Especially if the deadlines are occurring during and right after the last con.

Personal logo Colonel Bill Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 4:32 p.m. PST

Just to make sure, I checked all the emails received from (yes, I keep everything) because they will also send out info blurbs like voting deadlines on occasion. Nothing there so I remain stunned.

Colonel B

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