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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2017 10:43 a.m. PST

Hello everyone

Which miniatures to use for the Hanoverian troops in the British Army during the WAS to complete the magnificent Jackdaw range?

I'm looking for figurines specifically Hanoverian …

Thank you

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2017 11:01 p.m. PST

I see that for the Hanoverians of the WAS, it is like for the Austro-Hungarian of the WAS, nobody likes them …

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2017 12:09 a.m. PST

I don't know how much difference there was but Minden Hanoverians might fit style wise?
I don't find any pictures of jackdaw so i have no idea what style they have.

John Clements Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2017 12:17 p.m. PST

There just aren't any,I'm afraid, Breton. The Minden figures will fit uniform-wise, and don't look too bad in separate units which is what I am doing, using Minden and Crann Tara figures to supplement the missing Jacdaws across several armies of the period.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2017 10:10 p.m. PST

Yes, but as the uniforms are different from those of the seven-year war, ditto for the Austro-Hungarian and Prussians and as I am a purist … This can not be done for me …

John Clements Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 12:25 p.m. PST

I think that is much less so for the Hanoverians. If you look at the painting of the Bermerode review in 1735, the uniforms are IMO identical to those worn in the earlier part of the SYW, i.e.,with the lacing which was later removed part-way through the SYW. So the Minden figures, which show this lacing, should be OK for WAS. And paint can hide a lot too.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 10:40 p.m. PST

Yes and re-sculpture too …And for their sizes ect … They go well with the Jackdaw and Crann tara ect..?

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP02 Aug 2017 12:04 a.m. PST

Minden and Crann tara uses the same sculptor, so yes, they are a perfect match.

dbf167603 Aug 2017 10:41 a.m. PST

If you live in the U.K., Crann Tara actually sells Minden's Hanoverians, probably because the uniforms work for the WAS.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2017 10:07 p.m. PST

Yes I saw this

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2017 8:55 a.m. PST

For the Hanoverians of the WAS, I wanted to buy Hanoverian figures from the SYW and transform them (for the WAS) but it 's stupid, I have to be able to do it by modifying with "Green Stuff" british infantry figures of the WAS , No?

Where to find 'documentations' with illustrations on the Hanoverians uniforms during the WAS ?

What are the differences between their uniforms and those of the British ?

For example, for the miters of the grenadiers?

According to some they are of the Prussian model, according to others of the English model with the horse of the Hanover?

dbf167620 Sep 2017 3:45 p.m. PST

Paskal, Do you have Summerfield's book on the Hanoverian Army of the Seven Years War? It has lots of drawings of informs going back to 1729. It should answer your questions.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP21 Sep 2017 7:20 a.m. PST

Yes but I have to be certain, I do not buy it for nothing…

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2017 7:41 a.m. PST

One can easily transform figurines of British infantry soldiers of the WAS into Hanoverian infantry soldiers of the WAS ?

Terry3724 Sep 2017 6:08 p.m. PST

I think the Summerfield book is excellent. Serves my purposes well.

Terry

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2017 7:10 a.m. PST

I will see if it is possible to transform figurines of British infantry soldiers of the WAS into Hanoverian infantry soldiers of the WAS…

seneffe28 Sep 2017 2:17 p.m. PST

Coming late to this.
The Hanoverian uniform of the WAS was very similar to that worn in the first part of the SYW. (The 'change' in Hanoverian uniform style during the SYW was a rather modest one anyway- it was really only removing some of the lace from lapels cuffs and waistcoats- the basic cut was hardly changed).

So actually you are fine to go with Hanoverian SYW figures for your WAS project.

Worth googling 'David Morier Royal collection'- that should get you to some of the Hanoverian, Austrian and other allied troops Morier painted as an eyewitness in Flanders in 1747-48. The date of c1752 given for some of the Hanoverian pictures is now thought to be an error- 1748 is more likely.

Speaking of using British figures for Hanoverians- I would do that with caution especially in larger scales where details are more obvious. One quite noticeable difference between the British and Hanoverian infantry in the WAS was how the waistbelt was worn. For the British it was worn outside the coat at least until the late part of the WAS, giving the uniform a quite different more buttoned up look.

After this and into the SYW the British changed to belts worn inside the coat The change seems to have occurred about 1746 but I've never seen a regulation about it. The Hanoverian infantry on the other hand wore their waistbelts inside their coats from as early as the mid-1730s. In addition the moustaches and longer queues of the Hanoverians would look quite different in 28mm. Officers are more similar and easier to swap though.

Hope that helps.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP29 Sep 2017 10:39 p.m. PST

Thank you, it is not reassuring but nevertheless this is what I will have to do …

Becausen the book of Denis Gandilhon on Fontenoy with uniform plates by André Jouineau, the infantry of Hanover is almost identical in the cut of his uniform to the British infantry, these are the illustrations that gave me this idea …

dbf167630 Sep 2017 7:44 a.m. PST

I would not rely on the Gandilhon book for any uniform information for any country. Otherwise. It is a very good book. Your best bet for suitable Hanoverians remains Minden.

summerfield09 Oct 2017 5:05 a.m. PST

Dear Paskal
My book has uniforms dating back to 1729 and shows the changes from 1727 to 1765.

link

I hope that assists.
Stephen

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2017 8:34 a.m. PST

dbf1676, Minden figures are for the SYW not the WAS … as the Siege Works Studios hanoverian figures, you know?

A specialist like Mr Stephen summerfield should briefly explain the uniformity differences between the Hanoverians of the WAS and those of the SYW and also those of the Hanoverian and those of the British infantrymen during the WAS.

Good dear Dr. Stephen summerfield, I just bought your book, so that to read all the books I have, I would need 3 lives full after this one …

I also think that with all these books I could make a barraque using all these books like bricks …

Finally I will see if it was worth it …

summerfield12 Oct 2017 2:21 a.m. PST

In simple terms it is in the lapels. The lace outlined the lapels and decorated the buttons up until about 1759 when simpler lapels were introduced. Also over the period the cut of the coat became closer until the 1760s when it had a Prussian style.

There were changes in the facing colours for the various regiments. This is at times confusing as they were named after the Inhaber/Chef.

My book is filled with pictures so I hope will not be such a hard book to read. If you have any further questions then please ask.
Stephen

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP12 Oct 2017 10:40 p.m. PST

Tak you Stephen

For the Hanoverians There is no question of a miter in the Prussian fashion, except for the guard who have the British fashion and belts for the British that I did not have the Hanovrians?

Yeah, how would you do to turn Fontenoy's British infantry figures into Hanoverian infantrymen of Fontenoy?

Can Stephen Manley's livets be trusted? I'm told a lot of trouble?

seneffe15 Oct 2017 8:08 a.m. PST

Just to be clear- the Hanoverian infantry at Fontenoy looked like this-

link

The regiments had mix of Grenadier mitre cap fronts- some were all cloth like the British, some all metal like the Prussians, and some had smaller metal plates sewn onto the cloth front (which was very stiffened and tough). Summerfield's book is good for these details.

Note the waist belt worn under the coat (which the British did not begin do until c1747-48). The Hanoverian infantry had been wearing their waist belts this was since the late 1720s/early 1730s. Please ignore the Hanoverian illustrations in Gandilhon's (otherwise very good) book. They are very inaccurate.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2017 8:51 a.m. PST

Thank you seneffe I'm waiting for the book of Dr. Stephen summerfield like this I no longer apologize …

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