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Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 7:28 a.m. PST

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Even if red, shakos are a step backwards for the epitome of fashion excellence that is the hussar. You may as well just be a light dragoon.

I'm partial to the mirleton with the wrapping trailing behind, but I have to admit the busby is pretty gosh darn cool too.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 7:31 a.m. PST

I deliberately did not crosspost to Seven Years War, since clearly the regimental colonels had their acts together on this vital topic.

Don't get me started on pith helmets on "hussars"…

Doug MSC Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 7:44 a.m. PST

Yes, I too love the mirleton & busbys. Lauzan's Legion along with the 2nd Legion Hussars for the AWI are beautiful!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 8:36 a.m. PST

The shako rouleaux was the last French look and I have oft expressed scepticism as to whether it was ever really seen in the time of Boney…or at least whilst he still had any claim to being an Emperor.

I think it was a Second Restoration look, but it did transform the pelisse/dolman look. Hussars never looked better than when Boney was in the South Atlantic!

The smartest ever were surely not hussars at all. The iconic Cs a Chev de la G Imperiale, obviously. They looked right, but had taller, not broader, fur hats than elite co hussars or occifers of. As for the 1815 Young Garde version…….naw

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 8:47 a.m. PST

No. Any soldier who wants to be a Hussar needs to be both dashing and confident in his fashion choices.

If weak willed, petulant, noncy boys feel ridiculous in a shako or pith helmet, perhaps they should consider another branch of service?

I hear the Coast Guard uniforms are nice.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 9:41 a.m. PST

Well all are surely agreed that the smartest rig of the era was that sported by the Maison Militaire du Roi of Louis XVIII during the First Restoration. Certainly, at the time, they created a sensation. They do stand the test of time for the cut of their jib.

The minor detail………. that they were a parade unit only ……….and totally useless……. is irrelevant

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 1:04 p.m. PST

Shakoes er bad mmmkay. Doesn't matter if it sits on a hussar or infantryman.
The Shako is a gateway hat. It leads to peaked cap, boring plain uniforms. And finally to kaki and steel pot helmets. If it weren't for the Shako. We'd still have dashing and colorful soldiers.

Lambert Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 1:35 p.m. PST

I prefer busbies on hussars, but shakos would be my second choice. Personally I would rather have shakos than either the mirleton for hussars or the tarleton for light dragoons. Red shakos in particular are quite striking. All a matter of personal taste of course.

Lonkka1Actual25 Jun 2017 1:55 p.m. PST

Heavens forbid!
Busby is the way to go!

(also tarleton is the only proper way for dashing light dragoons)

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 2:15 p.m. PST

What I like about the Duellist is that in each episode, the hussars are wearing a different style headgear.

Moreover, if all hussars wear a busby, how do you tell which are in the elite companies?

Garde de Paris25 Jun 2017 2:22 p.m. PST

I prefer the French shako over all other forms of Napoleonic headdress. Lots of high school and college bands wear a variation of it today.

I have one unit of Victrix 28mm French with bicorn, and call them the 36eme de ligne, for which Victrix supplies a flag, but about which I have no real uniform information. They serve in my 2nd Division wargame force with the 2eme Leger – very smart unit in Rousselot; the 15eme de ligne in white faced black; and the 33eme de ligne in white faced violette (never served in Spain, but is a 1960 Stadden converted memento of time gone by). All 3 on shakos, and glorious. 36th in beat up bicorns. I invented drummer coat of buff, with violette collar, lapels, turnbacks, cuffs, and flaps, edged Aurora = like putting lipstick on a pig.

I tried doing one trooper of the 5eme Chasseurs at cheval, using a shako with yellow body – just not a mirlton. All buff belting, and on a claybank bay (buff body with black mane, tail and legs from the knees down). Also wearing a hussar jacket with no barrel sash. May take the unit up to 6-man "squadron." A great way to use up 1960 Willies Prussian Husssars!

Also did one trooper of the 5eme Hussard (again converted Willie Prussian Hussar) with scarlet shako rouleau – very striking! Definitely will be one of 6. Some of these did serve in the Peninsular War, at Fuentes de Onoro.

No other headdress would support such a colorful variation of plumage.

I do agree about the Tarleton for British light dragoons – great identifier, and great-looking gear.

I also like a busby on the Grenadiers of the 1st and 2nd Nassau infantry; the white busby on trumpeter major of the 11th French Dragoons; and the black busby on trumpeter of the 17th French Dragoons.

GdeP

GdeP

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2017 2:50 a.m. PST

prefer the French shako over all other forms of Napoleonic headdress. Lots of high school and college bands wear a variation of it today.

Didn't you just prove my point? High school bands aren't cool, not even when playing Louie Louie. Would you assault
The great redoubt at Borondio with a bunch of high school band kids?


Naturally, the cool kids that smoke in the bathrooms, that have cool leather jackets they all wear Bicornes!

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2017 6:07 a.m. PST

While I hate to disagree with our good Nordic buddy, nothing quite says "Napoleonic" like a nicely done shako, plumes and cords complete

As to shako versus busby, i) you need the busby for those glory boys in the elite company and ii) a manly hussar can carry off any kind of headgear – especially when they are baby blue or dark green (la brigade infernale)

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