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Liliburlero Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2017 1:42 p.m. PST

We managed to avoid a direct hit from Tropical Storm Cindy and it's a rainy afternoon here in New Orleans. We're working on several things today at Sergeants 3 but before we pull the trigger on this option (hopefully by the end of June) we'd like to know something. How many of our customers, potential and otherwise, who said they would purchase a PDF of The Sword and The Flame, really will?

We've seen too many instances of "marketing by anecdote" in our hobby over the years and prior to us and our IT guy spending a lot of time and some money making this happen, we want to know as best we can that there is really a market for a PDF and not just several vocal customers. That means anyone who wants their TSATF in this version, will need to go to our website where it can be purchased for $18.00 USD USD (it's on the very last page at the below link).

We are really getting into TSATF/40th and decided this would be a good time for us to offer this to our customers. We've always listened to feed-back and input but TSATF as a PDF will be for a limited time initially. If it turns out to be a viable option, then we might consider it for TSATF/40. If only 20 people take us up on this version, then we will gladly refund your $18.00 USD USD and go forward.

By and large, the gamers in our hobby are intelligent, honorable people and we would not still be in business if we did not have their support. So now it's up to everyone who has contacted us over the years to show us that you were serious about that PDF version of TSATF.

As always, we appreciate your business and friendship for 38 years. Please contact us with any questions.

MajorB24 Jun 2017 1:53 p.m. PST

and prior to us and our IT guy spending a lot of time and some money making this happen,

If you've got the text in a Word file, it is a matter of minutes to convert it to a PDF and you can do it for free.

Wretched Peasant Scum24 Jun 2017 2:16 p.m. PST

Only if the errata and 2003 rules changes are incorporated into the file.

CATenWolde Inactive Member24 Jun 2017 3:13 p.m. PST

I've already got two copies, but I would buy a comprehensively updated version as Jericho suggests above. However … what are the plans for 40th?

Rakkasan24 Jun 2017 3:19 p.m. PST

I would buy TSATF/40 as a PDF. I already own the 20th.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2017 4:14 p.m. PST

Add me to the 40th in PDF camp.

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2017 4:34 p.m. PST

Sorry, I'm a print guy myself, never cared for pdf files.

Spaceadmrodkalker24 Jun 2017 5:38 p.m. PST

So, your asking me to buy the 20th to see if there's an interest for the 40th? I would buy the tsatf40 pdf in a heart beat. I don't want to buy the old version when a new one is on the way.

saltflats192924 Jun 2017 8:31 p.m. PST

My price limit for a pdf is $10. USD

TonicNH24 Jun 2017 11:07 p.m. PST

Bought! Thanks for making it available in .pdf

4D Jones Inactive Member25 Jun 2017 1:37 a.m. PST

Useful for overseas customers wanting to avoid prohibitive mail charges.

MHoxie Inactive Member25 Jun 2017 2:23 a.m. PST

Go for it, I says. Also, 4D Jones has a good point.

ITALWARS25 Jun 2017 4:41 a.m. PST

It would be interesting to have available scenario books and TSATF variations ex "Sword in Philippines" ex in PDF,,,

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 5:19 a.m. PST

I don't do PDFs, but I'm excited to hear about TSATF 40.

Mister Tibbles25 Jun 2017 6:15 a.m. PST

I scanned my print copy into a PDF the moment I bought it. I do this with all my rules. I keep them on my tablet. Makes life easier for me, especially when traveling.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 6:51 a.m. PST

I will make the following points based on 40+ years of retail and marketing experience(and I have the scars to prove it). Before I do that, however let me say I own every edition of the TSATF, including the original type-written French Foreign Legion addendum that Larry did for us in the early 80's.

With a pdf, you really need to be price point sensitive as pointed out earlier. I believe the only production costs are converting existing files to pdf format(single expense of pdf program, no print run, no inventory, etc.). And modifications, errata, etc. are dirt cheap. Because of these factors it is very easy for people to feel "ripped off" with a high pdf price point.

But, you know your operating expenses better than the rest of us, so you need to make the decision that is best, and most profitable, for you. And yes I will buy the 40th pdf.


bandrsntch25 Jun 2017 5:51 p.m. PST

I would buy the 40th Edition as a pdf if it offered something substantially different than the 20th(not just errata and 2003 rules changes). If so, I'd probably pay the $18 USD but in my opinion that's a little high for a pdf.

roryg1957 Inactive Member26 Jun 2017 7:51 a.m. PST

Just bought it. Saves me from having to carry my print copy around – and now I've got a backup.

pvernon26 Jun 2017 9:46 a.m. PST

I would, but I too have a problem with the price of the PDF.

Liliburlero Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2017 1:25 p.m. PST

I've explained our philosophy at Sergeants 3 in the newer thread earlier today:

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SgtGuinness28 Jun 2017 10:53 a.m. PST

I would be happy to buy a PDF of the 20th Anny addition! Though I would like it to include the errata and official rules changes. I think it would be awesome to have it on PDF in case you forgot your copy at home and your at a con or club house running a game, etc. The same goes for the 40th, which I can't fathom is coming, but I will most definitely order.

And all things TSATF

SgtGuinness09 Jul 2017 11:51 a.m. PST

Hi Lori,

Just ordered the PDF version! Looking forward to the same for the 40th Anniversary edition and hoping the 40th has all the official rules changes added into the main body of the texts and game charts updated as well.


Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member07 Aug 2017 9:55 p.m. PST

I am definitely a customer of the 40th edition if revised and updated (errata included, etc.), but I would not buy a PDF-only copy. I gotta have a hard copy. I do not have a reliable printer, or a way to staple/bind a print out in a way that is durable or practical.

Darkkan Inactive Member08 Aug 2017 10:40 a.m. PST

Staples will bind and print.

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member08 Aug 2017 1:10 p.m. PST

Hmm. I would first need to check if a Staples is even in my town. And what sort of storage medium they could process (I have bad luck with Kinko's and others not being able to read a flashdrive from a Mac; or wiping its formatting so I can never use it again). And then check if the cost of this is even more than what I'd expect to pay for a complete product from a publisher that wasn't a DIY project.

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