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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2017 4:34 p.m. PST

"Germany's parliamentary defense commissioner, Hans-Peter Bartels, has renewed calls for a joint EU army amid concerns about the reliability of the NATO alliance and disorganization and fragmentation of national defense structures.
Speaking to the German Press Agency on Monday, Hans-Peter Bartels, the Germany Parliamentary Commissioner for the Armed Forces, called on the 28-nation bloc's militaries to unite into a single armed force.

"We are currently disorganized, technically fragmented and duplicate structures unnecessarily," Bartels said, as quoted by the Telegraph. "We do not want to go down the solitary national path anymore. Not in Germany, not in the Netherlands, not in the Czech Republic and not in Italy…"
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JMcCarroll Inactive Member20 Jun 2017 4:56 p.m. PST

Great idea… Never happen.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2017 5:11 p.m. PST

They could make a bunch of national units all under the control a
of a central German command. I think that they have some experience with multinational legions to stand against the East once before. Admittedly, it didn't work out so well the last time.

troopwo Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2017 6:05 p.m. PST

If they don't want to fork out the money to pay for their NATO commitments why do they want to duplicate it?

Oh yeah, to enforce EU ideology on any non-beleiver either government or individual.

This has nothing to do with stand against the east but everythng to do with keeping a boot on the neck of their own population.

28mm Fanatik20 Jun 2017 6:36 p.m. PST

Increased unity and integration make for good soundbites, but different agendas and national sovereignty always prevail. Not all countries really want to contribute the minimum 2% on defense even as they make half-hearted pledges to do so given their domestic priorities, and a centralized EU army under one command will mean that stronger members like Germany and France will be able to dictate goals and policies to lesser members who may disagree with them but have no veto power.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2017 8:29 p.m. PST

This is a funny idea. I can see the internationalists are hard at it again, still wanting a weak and borderless West.


Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Jun 2017 8:58 p.m. PST

Why was there nations, countries, national boundary lines, cultures,etc in the first place if this was at all possible?
Sounds to me that some people spent their college years standing around camp fires holding hands as they gently swayed in unison and singing kumbaya?

Russ Dunaway

emckinney20 Jun 2017 9:36 p.m. PST

"Why was there nations, countries, national boundary lines, cultures,etc in the first place if this was at all possible?"

Read up on the formation of nation-states in Europe. They all used to be smaller entities with different cultures, languages, political systems, militaries, etc., etc. True central authority seemed like a pipe dream.

PrivateSnafu20 Jun 2017 9:54 p.m. PST

I think that there was a time where conflict spurred certain advancements but we are at a time where cooperation is best. I can be more confident in my European partners if they are not detrimentally squabbling with each other.

I'm skeptical, but it sounds alright. Borders are not oppression, they are "trust, but verify".

Lion in the Stars20 Jun 2017 11:07 p.m. PST

Europe isn't willing to give their currency the centralized control it needs to avoid crashing, how the heck do they expect to have the centralized control that an army needs?!?

Chokidar Inactive Member21 Jun 2017 1:21 a.m. PST

…more to the point, the result would be an absolute shower.. and idle!

foxweasel21 Jun 2017 1:43 a.m. PST

More like a new German Army + allies.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2017 10:33 a.m. PST



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