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Breton Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2017 10:31 p.m. PST

Hello everyone

What are the 25/30 mm figures that exist to play the 43rd foot from 1739 to 1745 ?

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Breton

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2017 6:29 a.m. PST

Old Glory has Government Highlander's in its Jacobite range.

JimDuncanUK20 Jun 2017 11:35 a.m. PST

Have a word with Graham at Crann Tara.

cranntaraminiatures.co.uk

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Breton Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2017 10:37 p.m. PST

Thank you

What I want to know too,It was when this regiment had a company of grenadiers?

In 1751, when it was no longer the 43rd?

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Breton

Supercilius Maximus20 Jun 2017 11:46 p.m. PST

Grenadier companies were introduced into the English and Scottish armies in the 1680s, and were well established by the time they merged to form the British Army in 1707. This corps would either have organised a grenadier company immediately on its formation at Winchester in 1741, or as soon afterwards as was practicable, once the appropriate men had been chosen.

Originally raised as Fowke's Regiment, it became the 54th when numbers were issued in 1747, and was re-numbered in 1751.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2017 1:36 a.m. PST

From the title, he obviously means the Black Watch. At one time they were the 43rd.

JimDuncanUK21 Jun 2017 6:28 a.m. PST

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Originally titled Crawford's Highlanders or The Highland Regiment and numbered 43rd in the line, in 1748, on the disbanding of Oglethorpe's Regiment of Foot, they were renumbered 42nd and in 1751 formally titled the 42nd (Highland) Regiment of Foot.

Supercilius Maximus21 Jun 2017 8:22 a.m. PST

It's certainly obvious now you've pointed it out! ;^)

In that case, I would suspect that no grenadier company existed prior to 1739, when the ten independent companies were consolidated into the 43rd, later 42nd. Once the regimentation was formalised, they would have created one from the appropriate members of the regiment.

Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2017 4:49 p.m. PST

Unfortunately, Crann Tara doesn't make goverment highlanders, only Jacobite clansmen. CT does make a wonderful range of regular government line infantry, including fusiliers.

Minden offers a lovely range of government highlanders though, and they are sculpted by the same individual who sculpted the CT miniatures.

Breton Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2017 10:54 p.m. PST

No factory offers the grenadiers of the 43rd for the WAS, only grenadiers for the 42nd for the SYW …

It is strange that nothing is found on the grenadiers of the 43rd …

Neither write of epoch, nor in illustrations of epoch, nor in figurines of our days …

Perhaps his grenadiers appeared only in 1751, why not?

It was a special regiment after all, it may not have been immediately a regiment of troops settled with grenadiers ect …

At first, maybe he had the same kind of status as the light troops (if he was considered so) of other nations?

Breton Supporting Member of TMP23 Jun 2017 10:37 p.m. PST

It is necessary to buy grenadiers of highlanders of the SYW and to transform them … It remains to know the differences uniforms with those of the WAS for this regiment …

Breton Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2017 12:00 a.m. PST

According to Stephen Manley, there were two regular regiments of Highlanders during the WAS, the 43rd (from 42nd in 1748) and 64th …

The two regiments of a single battalion of ten companies, on wich was grenadiers, and at full strength would have fielded about 750 men apiece.

The tartan is that of the government with in supplement a red stripe for the grenadiers.

Grenadiers had commencd by wearing miter caps, apparently of the usual type, though neither an example or a picture survives. By 1744 the fur cap had come into use.

Their caps were of black bearskin with the section of the front being red and white like the caps of the line.


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Breton Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2017 9:15 a.m. PST

It would be interesting to find an illustration of the miter of their grenadiers before they adopt the fur cap …

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