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Skinflint Games18 Jun 2017 3:20 p.m. PST

So, Jim is mired in a big painting project and has given me the keys to the blog this month and it's only right and proper that we give a shout out to the game we fell in love with many years ago when the world was a more innocent place.. when Donald Trump was making pizza adverts and tweeting was an activity reserved for thrushes and a mobile phone was one that you had fitted to your car..

Anyway, we caught the tail end of the Rogue Trader era and the lovable crazy amateurishness of it, and we were both sold the (by the standards of the day) shiny and slick 2nd Ed.. now many, many, many years have passed and we are now onto the 8th edition of that "bloody waste of time" as our parents described it! After coming in for much criticism in recent years, dear old Games Workshop really seem to be trying a reset, slimming down and substantially modifying the rules for 8th and best of all? They've got them online for free….

The rest can be found here: link

CorpCommander18 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m. PST

I wonder, has there ever been a more successful DIY project than the deodorant Fast Grav Attack vehicle? How many have been made? How many still exist?

I hope you enjoy the game!

kallman18 Jun 2017 5:45 p.m. PST

Looked at the box set today of Dark Imperium and felt the age old draw once again. I have not been tempted to invest in 40K in decades but this might, mind you might, get me back in.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2017 11:15 a.m. PST

I picked up my box at my FLGS's midnight premiere Friday/Saturday. I plan to use the Death Guard marines as champion/sergeants for my RT/2nd Ed old campaigner plague marines- one for each of my seven ("grunt") squads, not counting the initial Realms of Chaos Vol. II variants. So, aside from the initial outlay, I'm not sure that this is going to break the bank in the long run. Famous last words.

I've seen quite a few deodorant grav-tanks in times past. I never made one. I stuck to chopping up WWII vehicles, and a variety of cheap and readily available pick-up and semi-truck models. I apparently had a thing for half-tracks.

I do love looking back at the simple ingenuity displayed in those early days.

dragon619 Jun 2017 3:19 p.m. PST

Now, pass me a deodorant bottle and some plastic spoons I've got a grav-attacke vehicle to make…

I'd forgotten those. Is there a link to them?

Personal logo Dasher Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member20 Jun 2017 11:00 a.m. PST

This is SOOOO NOT the game I fell in love with… that was Starguard, I still love it, and the only thing I love more is West End's "Star Wars Miniatures Battles".
Warhammer 40K, on the other hand was, and with this latest money-gouging insult to gamers' intelligence shows that it still is, a bloated, over-dressed prostitute covered in usurped ideas, nihilistic pandering and greasy, treacley bon-bons aimed at enticing naive little boys whose parents have deep pockets and shallow valies into pouring their money into a Dickensian horror of sooty "coolness" that has the storytelling value of a flip-page comic, the play value of rock/paper/scissors and less tactical value than a tic-tac-toe marathon.
Good point: Cute templates.
"Of course, that's just my opinion. I coukd be wrong."
-- Dennis Miller

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Jun 2017 12:59 p.m. PST

Yikes! Careful you don't cut yourself on that edge!

Skinflint Games21 Jun 2017 10:06 a.m. PST

Wow – don't hold back there, Dasher ;-)

@TheBeastRampant – yeah, that was what hooked me too

@Dragon6, no link to that, but here's a flying saucer made from a yoghurt pot lid, bottle tops, superglue lid, cocktail sticks, a straw and a medicine spoon – enjoy!


Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2017 5:08 p.m. PST

Is there a link to them?

All you need to do is Google

How to make a deodorant bottle grav tank/vehicle.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2017 5:09 p.m. PST


I like you.

You put that into the right set of words.

Personal logo Ed the Two Hour Wargames guy Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Jun 2017 8:40 p.m. PST

I've been gaming for a long time and been in the business for over fifteen years and gamers are changing.

I've seen a large increase in people that want quick and simple games to play. For everyone that says recent games have been "dummy-ed down" you can find more that will say older games are too complex and slow.

I Pads, X-Boxes, Netflix, etc. There's lots of things that can grab someone's attention so games need to be quicker and easier to learn and play.

It doesn't make them bad, just not something that some people wouldn't want to play. Works the other way as well.

You don't have to go out and buy the latest GW or even THW game, just play whatever one you're happiest with.

And yes, GW does play to the market that Dasher mentioned and they always have, but that's their business model.

I've seen quite a few deodorant grav-tanks in times past.

Those were really cool I must admit.

Skinflint Games23 Jun 2017 5:07 p.m. PST

Good post, Ed. Everyone has their own definition of "fun"- we do well to remember that

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2017 12:31 p.m. PST

Well at one of the FLGS it would appear that individuals are bypassing the boxset and only getting the Book.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP26 Jun 2017 1:27 p.m. PST

Yeah my local FLGS sold out of the book but still has one copy of the boxed set left.

BlackWidowPilot Fezian Inactive Member26 Jun 2017 10:22 p.m. PST

deodorant grav-tanks

I know this music…

And then there's what you can do with a dead computer mouse…

Or an empty shampoo bottle…

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I agree with @Dasher not holding back, but then again I was introduced to the real hobby (not the figment of the imagination of the Games Workshop corporate marketing department) by Starguard! back in 1975…

I also agree with Ed: play whatever makes you happiest playing. Always.

So while I've dusted off my original Rogue Trader WH40K 1st edition figures and played a few games of Shadow Wars: Armageddon, and I've downloaded the free basic rules for WH40K 8th to skim over, I am still not satisfied by the fact that GW in their infinite corporate avarice-addled "wisdom‌" chose a marketing strategy designed to smother a cottage industry that for most participants was a labor of love and creativity long before Games Workshop was a spark in its parents's beady eyes. So I will keep right on playing venerable games like Starguard! and proven systems like Star Grunt II and even taking a stab at writing my own (playtesting to commence by fourth quarter this year or bust!), and keep right on making things out of things until my family is forced to pry my X-Acto knife from my cold, dead fingers! evil grin

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