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Tango0117 Jun 2017 9:19 p.m. PST

… without trial in Iraq

"Up to 30 French nationals allegedly targeted by Iraqi troops after identification from French special forces to ensure they ‘don't return home'

An Isis fighter holds up the group's flag after seizing the Iraqi city of Mosul on 23 June 2014. A seven-month long US-led coalition effort to free the city has almost succeeded in its goal Reuters France is allegedly providing crucial intelligence information to Iraqi ground forces fighting Isis in order to target and exterminate French nationals who have joined the jihadist organisation, it has emerged.

An investigation by the Wall Street Journal found that French special forces have allegedly enlisted the help of Iraqi units to ensure that French nationals fighting in the country do not escape to pose a terror threat on their return home.

Photographs, alibis and location coordinates gathered from surveillance drones and radio interception intel have been provided to assist in the hunt, the WSJ reported.

Children of Mosul describe life under Islamic State
Neither French nor Iraqi sources disclosed how many French citizens have been killed in the operation, but said that up to 30 men had been identified as senior, ‘high-value' targets…"
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AUXILIAPAL Inactive Member18 Jun 2017 12:51 a.m. PST

Good! I think they have no more the French nationality… Those are terrorists and ennemies no more!

nickinsomerset18 Jun 2017 12:52 a.m. PST

Apparently the UK is too, to make sure that they receive free housing and benefits when they return to the UK!

soledad18 Jun 2017 1:45 a.m. PST

I see nothing wrong with what the French are doing. Some people deserve to be put to sleep, it is what´s best for them. We owe it to them.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP18 Jun 2017 5:39 a.m. PST

Good riddance. I think they learned from the US that capturing them alive is worse for the citizens of civilized countries in the long run.

Don't let them reconnect with their cells back home, and certainly don't put them in a camp that the public knows about or the media and political pressures will end up with their release back to the new battle lines. Just take them out while they are still combatants. Don't give them a chance to surrender.

Dan

Personal logo Great War Ace Supporting Member of TMP18 Jun 2017 6:40 a.m. PST

"Combatants", heh. That legitimizes them if you apply that word. "Losers and criminals" are better descriptions. Criminals that refuse to surrender. If they did surrender (and some will) you try them as criminals, not surrendered "combatants".

cosmicbank18 Jun 2017 6:45 a.m. PST

Such is War. Hard to blame the Special Forces guys when they see the same thing over and over.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP18 Jun 2017 7:00 a.m. PST

Great War Ace,

I misspoke for sure. I meant while they still looked to be armed or are around those who are, take them out. Otherwise our lovely anti-West media and "activist groups" will say that innocent unarmed civilians are being slaughtered.

Dan

28mm Fanatik18 Jun 2017 8:14 a.m. PST

Should have just revoked the citizenship of those who joined IS in the first place. This way they will no longer be referred to as citizens.

troopwo Supporting Member of TMP18 Jun 2017 9:50 a.m. PST

Probably save on the budget side, if they just rooted them out of the suburbs of Paris.

Lion in the Stars18 Jun 2017 7:22 p.m. PST

"Combatants", heh. That legitimizes them if you apply that word.

It lets us charge any survivors with War Crimes.

PaddySinclair19 Jun 2017 2:48 a.m. PST

Should have just revoked the citizenship of those who joined IS in the first place. This way they will no longer be referred to as citizens.

Right, make them someone else's problem…

Personal logo Great War Ace Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2017 5:35 a.m. PST

"War crimes" is a technical term that no longer means what it is supposed to mean. If you are a legitimate "combatant" and you commit "war crimes" then you can be tried for violation of the conventions of war. If the fracas in which you were apprehended is not a declared war you should not be tried for "war crimes" but rather murder and etc. In other words, there is no advantage to trying these miscreants as combatants violating the conventions of war. They should be viewed as simply mass murderers and rapists, etc. The death penalty is in full force in those countries. All of the losers taken alive as they are defeated should be tried and executed ignominiously, that is to say, without an iota of fanfare over their ideology or asserted status as "warriors".

Murvihill19 Jun 2017 8:37 a.m. PST

Unfortunately knowing you will die if captured discourages surrender.

Supercilius Maximus19 Jun 2017 9:41 a.m. PST

Unfortunately, you are not allowed to make someone stateless, so unless these miscreants have dual nationality (which tends not to be the case with Muslims from Algeria, Morocco, etc), then you cannot simply strip them of their French citizenship. Death is a much more convenient way out of the problem……

ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2017 11:00 a.m. PST

Would be far more logical and easy to search Paris , Lyon Toulouse ecc banlieux instead of Irak…but they ll never do it cause it ll be effective

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2017 2:15 p.m. PST

Supercilious Maximus: "Unfortunately, you are not allowed to make someone stateless"

Naturalized citizens in Mexico can lose their Mexican citizenship, even if they have already renounced their previous one. So you can essentially become "stateless" and become someone else's problem. They don't care whose, as long as it's not theirs.

I'm not sure if other nations do something similar.

Dan

Lion in the Stars20 Jun 2017 9:49 p.m. PST

Not sure about the French, but the US cannot strip someone of their citizenship (whether born or naturalized), they have to go to an embassy/consulate and disavow it.

@Great War Ace: didn't stop The Hague court from trying former-Yugoslavians with War Crimes.

Apache 621 Jun 2017 7:32 a.m. PST

Good hunting!

If they are fighting on behalf of an enemy force, they are legal targets. France designating them as high value targets makes sense and sends a message that needs to be heard.

ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2017 7:40 a.m. PST

Lion in the Stars…the Yugoslavian trials its another exmaple of lack of equity and justice..the Serbians are considered criminals and tryid but bfore they had been kidnaped without any fracas ..i must add that muslim dicator/criminal Izetbegović and the drug dealers/terrorists of UCK get out from courts scot free…while those French muslim terrorists and traitors of their country , for somebody, should 'nt be hunted without a trial..

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