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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian16 Jun 2017 7:35 a.m. PST

Saxondog once wrote:

Figures are growing and it sux. I won't buy if they won't fit with what I have unless it is a new genre.

Do you agree?

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2017 7:46 a.m. PST

I disagree. Mark is a fine person.

cloudcaptain16 Jun 2017 7:51 a.m. PST

I think Mark should get royalties for these threads at the very least.

leidang16 Jun 2017 7:51 a.m. PST

I agree and it's a double edged sword for the vendors that do it. They lock in their audience of people new to the genre but they alienate all of the existing gamers with collections that would have bought some of their products.

For instance I already had a substantial 15mm WWII collection when Battlefront upsized their figures. I haven't bought a single thing from them since and I have probably spent at least 5 figures on WWII stuff in that time period.

leidang16 Jun 2017 7:52 a.m. PST

I'm surprised Mark hasn't been sued by GW. After all they invented scale creep didn't they?

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2017 8:12 a.m. PST

Minifigs did the creep long before GW.

But the sculpting on their 2nd gen Nappies was outstanding and that tipped me into buying them.

For poll option: I will only rarely buy into creep on a period I already have.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2017 8:18 a.m. PST

Getting back to the point I THINK you were trying to make, those circumstances are very rare. For me at any rate. Galloping Major are just too darn large for me to yse with my FIW gaming. Fine figures but they just don't fit in with my collection. For me that's an odd thing to say, since I once counted 21+ different ranges on my table for an FIW skirmish game.

I have no idea if I speak for anyone but myself here. I am already established in my favorite ranges with large armies. I don't know if any AWI range that can legitimately call itself "complete". A brand new company has a tiny chance if any of ever attaining completion. So, when "Wyoming Massacre Miniatures" pops on the scene with a range of Butler's Rangers, Green's Royal Johnsons (private joke) or Queen Esther, they better not be in 35mm scale. I'm flexible regarding scale but not that flexible. Others are very strict. It puzzles me why anyone would deliberately put out figures not in the mainstream. You're losing business.

Vigilant16 Jun 2017 8:34 a.m. PST

Until wargames figures are made to an actual scale rather than a size which really means very little, this will always be an issue. I don't worry too much unless the difference is massive, after all people are different sizes. Some ranges I have mixed, others don't fit with the majority of my figures so either don't buy them, or base them separately from the rest.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2017 8:41 a.m. PST

What bothers me is when the companies can't be honest enough to say a figure is 25mm or 28mm instead of 25-28mm, 15mm or 18mm insteadof 15-18mm. You start to wonder if the figures increase in size based on the temperature/humidty/etc. If your figures are sized to 14mm/15mm/16mm/17mm/18mm/19mm/25mm/26mm/28mm/30mm etc, you ought to have the integrity to say so.

attilathepun4716 Jun 2017 9:50 a.m. PST

Yes, I agree. There has been a more than ample variety of figure scales available for any purpose since the 1980's, and there is absolutely no excuse for introducing any new scales. Since I already have a large investment of time and money in 15mm and 25mm, I am not about to reward the ****heads who started up the 18mm and 28mm scales, regardless of how good their products are alleged to be.

Beowulf Supporting Member of TMP Fezian16 Jun 2017 1:17 p.m. PST

I agree, and hate it.

Allen5716 Jun 2017 1:44 p.m. PST

I agree and will not buy the new larger stuff even though it might be a new period for me.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Jun 2017 2:28 p.m. PST

This is just another wargaming realism problem. My figures are growing vertically, whereas I know from personal experience that people actually grow horizontally over time.

Personal logo Zeelow Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2017 2:57 p.m. PST

I am a person, and I resemble that remark. Thank you.

D A THB16 Jun 2017 3:36 p.m. PST

How about scale shrinkage?

I was very disappointed when I bought an Army Box of Plastic Warlord Zulus, and found that they were too small to mix on the same base with my Black Tree Zulus.

Khusrau16 Jun 2017 4:12 p.m. PST

I will happily mix 15 & 18, or 25 & 28, just not in the same army.

Ragbones Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2017 8:18 p.m. PST

Agree with Attila, Beowulf and Allen. I don't buy the newer, oversized figures. They just don't look right with my existing armies.

Durban Gamer17 Jun 2017 4:09 a.m. PST

Stick totally to my old sizes. Will not buy larger creep figs!

Berzerker7317 Jun 2017 8:18 a.m. PST

I agree as well with Winston. My FIW /AWI figs are Conquest and Perry and I don't think they'll look good with Galloping Major. The size difference made the decision for me even though the Galloping Major figs look good.

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP17 Jun 2017 11:27 a.m. PST

Ragbones +1

Black Cavalier17 Jun 2017 12:26 p.m. PST

Oops, I thought this thread was about the retailer Scale Creep, not the figure enlargement phenomenon called scale creep.

Bill really needs to use clearer subject titles

Personal logo DWilliams Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2017 9:38 a.m. PST

To answer the scale creep question, no, I don't think larger sized figures are a problem. In fact, I'm a fan of the larger sized 15mm (which are really closer to 17mm or 18mm), as they are easier to paint for my 55-year old eyes. Further, when placed on the table alongside the 'smaller' 15mm figures, it is not that noticeable.

Should figures be advertised as '17mm' or '18mm' rather than '15mm?' It would be closer to the ideal of truth in advertising, but it's really up to the individual buyer to make their own choices. My suggestion … buy a few sample figures from several manufacturers, and use your own judgement.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2017 8:16 p.m. PST

I acquired a sample of some AB figs to see if they would fit in with my old school actual 15mm Freikorps figs. As expected they don't even close. They are much closer to my old school 20mm figs.

I hate these odd sizes and refuse to buy them.

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