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corona66 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2017 9:18 a.m. PST

I'm currently painting Peter Pig ECW figures and I''m not sure what to make of a late musketeer's headgear. It is helmet shaped so last week I painted it as a steel helmet, with the rationale that it had been in the musketeer's family for generations. This week I'm dealing with another of the same figure and now I'm wondering if the headgear is actually a hat, an early precursor of the bowler perhaps. Mr Goddard, you are the horse's mouth so to speak so I submit my question and thank you in advance.

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Jun 2017 9:46 a.m. PST

I hear you!
I am guessing it is from the "musketeers in cap firing" pack? If so it is a woollen "Monmouth" cap. A knitted item with the lower part turned up to overlap the spherical shape. Imagine a skiers cap.

If you know what pack it is from I can be more certain. happy to help

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2017 9:50 a.m. PST

It's difficult to know without the pack number, but basically apart from the better equipped officers, musketeers didn't wear helmets during the ECW (in fact, a lot of pikemen didn't either, but that's another story). So I would suggest that the original figure you painted had either an English-style [pack 61] or Irish-style [pack 46] woolly hat (similar to a modern-day "beanie", the Irish version having a more raised crown), a Puritan-style high crowned hat [pack 60], or a normal everyday hat with the brim trimmed right down [pack 66, left hand figure]. The one thing it doesn't sound like is a montero [pack 66, middle figure].

Sorry, typed this whilst Martin was posting.

corona66 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2017 11:06 a.m. PST

Thank you gentlemen. Last week's figure is about to be repainted.

Personal logo Jeff Ewing Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2017 5:47 p.m. PST

That's wild that a Monmouth cap is totally a beanie ( link ). If you saw a guy wearing one in a movie you might think "Oh, look at that farb, guess the movie's costume budget didn't extend to correct hats!"

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2017 3:52 a.m. PST

Amongst the real hoi polloi at the start of the war, it was probably THE most common headgear for the infantry soldier.

Elenderil16 Jun 2017 3:51 p.m. PST

It's a really good bit of kit too. As a reenactment musketeer I much prefer a Monmouth to a brimmed felt hat. The brim on a felt hat gets in the way when shouldering a musket a Monmouth doesn't.

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2017 11:15 p.m. PST

I've been told that pikemen also preferred them to brimmed hats for the same reason.

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