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Cathusac1 Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 3:15 p.m. PST

Command – Schwarzenberg
Wing – Wrede

I Corps – Colleredo – classic Austrian Army Corps, little different in style from one in 1813-1814.
II Corps – Hohenzollern-Hechingen – classic Austrian Army Corps with Baden infantry brigade, seemingly organised in Prussian style of 9,000 man brigade = a division. Then a small tiny cavalry brigade of light dragoons. 3 regiments are quoted. I suspect the 1st is the old gardes du korps of a squadron or so. Red faced white Baden lght dragoon uniform, the 2 line, you'll have to look up the tunic and trouser colour. They changed between 1812 & 1815 but I can't remember from what to which. This Baden division got detached to join Wrede's wing but I know little else. Maybe it did line of communications duty between the two parts of the army.
Austrian Reserve Army Corps
Equivalent of the formation in 1813-1814 – two light divisions, one has an uhlan regiment, an infantry division of mostly Hungarians, a grenadier infantry division of veterans, but as an exception to earlier years a slightly larger second grenadier division.
An Austrian Reserve Cavalry Corps, under Crown-Prince Hessen-Homburg, composed of a Cavalry division with a hussar regiment, another Uhlan regiment, two cuirassier regiments. A second cavalry division with six cuirassier regiments.
This force without/with the Badeners is somewhere between 88,000-100,000 strong. It entered France, took part in some sieges and was meant to contribute to seizing control of northern Italy at the future Congress of Vienna by placing the bulk of the Austrian armies in notherbn Italy and southern France.
Under another Archduke, probably Johann. Definitely not Charles, Ludwig or Maximilian
Somewhere behind it marched the dregs of Germanic armies; Wurttemberg Royal Guard and landwehr, Baden landwehr, a division or two composed of Austrian landwehr battalions, possibly 4th or 5th battalions to Austrisn line regiments in the main Austrian force as there are duplications of Austrian one regiment names. The Royal Saxon army of 16,000 men. No Saxon chevauleger, just a brigade of hussar regiment and Uhlans both in their light blue, uhlans in the Polish style uniform with czapka. The former Confederation of the Rhine mini regiments make a showing in their own division. Oldenburg is elsewhere as are the Mecklenberg & Saxe- duchies. This why the "Deutschbund" infantry division isn't huge.

I'll have to describe Wrede's "half" of the army in another message.

Cathusac1 Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 3:32 p.m. PST

Essentially a mix of French "German" allies from 1812 & Austrians in 1813 makes the Army of the Upper Rhine, 1815 tick, with the main difference being just over twice as many grenadiers, 2 Austrian uhlan and an extra Austrian cuirassier regiment.

Wrede's Wing is significantly different to 1812 orders of battle for Napoleon's Bavarian allies. 4 infantry divisions in French style, mostly 5-battalion. A 12pdr and a 6 pdr foot battery a division. 2 French-style light cavalry divisions, 1st of chevaulegers and 2nd cavalry division of mixed hussars and chevaulegers in each brigade. A reserve division of grenadier battalion (probably in field not full dress so raupenhelm not bearskin. Two line infantry regiments of 2 battalions each and a freiwillige Jager unit allegely battalion strength. This brigade looks a bit like a Prussian brigade in size, it should look huge. Indeed the infantry and cavalry unit sizes in the whole army of the Upper Rhine, in particular Austrians and Bavarians look ridiculous for the last armies the coalition cold provide. Why should these have many times more suitable horses and men than Prussia & France, the Netherlands could provide for themselves. The next part is Crown-Prince of Wurttemberg's multinational "German" Corps. I'll add later.

Cathusac1 Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 3:35 p.m. PST

The Bavarians fought in small skirmishes and besieged Nancy for sure. It was a stop on the way to Paris apparently, and Nancy was where they got to when the truce was declared by Wellington near Paris.

Cathusac1 Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 3:51 p.m. PST

Crown-Prince of Wurttemberg, possibly not Eugene. I have gotten confused anyway I thought it was Paul or Frederick of Wurttemberg in 1815, Crown-Prince of Wurttemberg.
Wurttemberg "Corps" under Koch. A cavalry division of French style. Light dragoons mixed with jager zu pferde in both brigades. 2nd-5th cavalry regiments.

A four-infantry brigade division of Wurttemberg line & light infantry regiments, number of battalions 6-4-4-5 so far as I know with the 5-battalion brigade being the light infantry and grey coated scharfschutzen (an adopted former Landwehr battalion).

An artillery brigade of one 12 pdr foot, 2 6dr foot and 2 ditto horse artillery.
Under Palombini, an "Austrian corps" of perhaps former French ally commander now serving the Austrians.
A gigantic hussar regiment, formerly Blankenstein's now Crown-Prince von Wurttemberg's.
A gigantic Austrian German line infantry division with the largest regiments in the second brigade.

Lastly a Hesse-Darmstadt infantry division of two brigades and two foot artillery.

This Corps under Crown-Prince von Wurttemberg was the onkly force to engage in a battle and it was an encounter – bridge battle fought mostly by the Austrian infantry and Wurttemberg cavalry with the rest of the force reaching the battlefield too late to intervene.

Cathusac1 Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 4:00 p.m. PST

As an addendum: The Bavarian line infantry regiments had begun to develop 3rd battalions but these with the field army stopped in garrisons of Baden territories.

I've omitted the second brigade of the Bavarian Reserve Division that seems to have been under Wrede's direct command or to be broken up like the French imperial guard was meant to be.

Bavarian Uhlan regiment (almost Austrian in appearance) Bavarian 1st curassier regiment, Bavarian gardes du korps Use French armoured Carabiniers for proxy figures if you can't find them in your scale). White metal armour French style cuirass for cuirassiers, french-style carabinier armour for the gardes du korps.

Bavarian hussars, Austrian-style uniform – light blue uniforms with white lace, black shako for 1st, red for 2nd regiment.

Cathusac1 Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 4:05 p.m. PST

Ouch I've typed another of my essays and knackered myself up. I hope this intro helps someone or some club with What-if games.

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