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trynda170103 Jun 2017 4:17 p.m. PST

Many years ago, probably late 90s, I remember reading in one of the wargaming magazines of a club gaming Star Trek with the AMT kits available at the time.

I remember that they had kitbashed "Reliant" style ships and a movie style "Federation' Class three-engined Dreadnaught class, there was a station and asteroids used, maybe even single-engined "Saladin" Destroyers as well, all on poles about four feet high. The Klingons used the AMT "K't'inga" class battlecruiser kits.

Does anyone remember what club ran this, and are there any pictures available. I'd love to find out what magazine it was, I thought I maybe still had a copy, but apparentyly not in my collection any more.

John Leahy03 Jun 2017 5:40 p.m. PST

I use them along with other ships. I have pics of my converted Saladin and Dreadnought Constitution ships somewhere.





MacrossMartin Inactive Member03 Jun 2017 5:51 p.m. PST

That'll have been the South London Warlords, Trynda. A certain dubious person known to the authorities as 'John Treadaway' might be along soon, to explain further his role in this affair…

Toaster03 Jun 2017 8:35 p.m. PST

Yes John Treadway and Jim Wallman are the names on the articles, I still have a photocopy of them. Part one came out in the July/August 1990 issue of Practical Wargamer and part 2 the following issue.


Personal logo nvdoyle Supporting Member of TMP03 Jun 2017 9:40 p.m. PST

Whoa…I do NOT need another project…

David Manley03 Jun 2017 10:13 p.m. PST

Unlikely in the extreme that Mr T will be along soon after recent events here.

The Warlords game.featured somw lovely conversions, I think they had a D10 as well as the Reliant and Federation frigates. Players had to don helmets and gloves when the ships suffered heavy damage and lost life support to simulate crews being in space suits

Dobber03 Jun 2017 11:02 p.m. PST

I do this myself. I run TOS era games with the ENGAGE rules from wargame vault. Currently all I have is Constitution class, D7, B'rel Birds of Prey, Roman Birds of Prey, and a K7 station. I have some TNG era stuff but haven't done anything with it. Almost the entirety of my gaming group(s) HATES Star Trek, but I still hear "Hey, so when are you gonna run Star Trek again? That was fun."

Personal logo nvdoyle Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 4:33 a.m. PST

"Unlikely in the extreme that Mr T will be along soon after recent events here."

What did I miss this time?

trynda170104 Jun 2017 6:41 a.m. PST

@ John Leahy

Very nice, are those 1/2500 scale models by any chance?

@ MacrossMartin, Toaster and David Manley

That sounds like the one I'm talking about. I should have mentioned the players as crew aspects to narrow it down. It's nice to see others following on from that style of game by the Warlords. Must be a pain to store though! I have enough problems storing my FASA/ADB/Micromachines/HeroClix/Shapeways ST minis in 1/3788 or 1/3900 scales!

I was sure I had photocopies of the articles from the "Practical Wargamer" magazines still. Cest la vie!

HardRock04 Jun 2017 12:24 p.m. PST

Back in the mid 70's, a friend and I used the kits to play Zocchi's Star Fleet Battle Manual in his backyard.

John Leahy04 Jun 2017 1:24 p.m. PST

Hi, yes several of them are. The Vor'Cha is 1/1400 and the Klingon Cruisers are 1/1600 scale.

pvernon04 Jun 2017 2:21 p.m. PST

In the 70s the Star Trek club in Salt Lake City used to use Zocchi's rules as well. They gamed in Liberty Park on one of the open fields with 5 to 15 people per side.

MacrossMartin Inactive Member04 Jun 2017 10:00 p.m. PST

I wasn't aware of issues here on TMP that might have dissuaded John from visiting. That's very sad to hear. :(

Also, I do hope no-one thinks I was engaging in anything but levity describing John as 'A certain dubious person known to the authorities'. I regard John Treadaway as one of the guiding influences on my wargaming, and in no way other than positive.

I seem to recall someone posted images of a 'bigature' space combat game held at Gencon sometime past, but now I can't remember if it was Star Trek or Star Wars fighters. Either way, an entire hall appeared required for manoeuvring room!

Part time gamer04 Jun 2017 11:12 p.m. PST

I remember.. a club gaming Star Trek with.. AMT kits
..they had kitbashed "Reliant" style ships and a.. "Federation' Class three-engined Dreadnaught class.. maybe even single-engined "Saladin" Destroyers as well,.
The Klingons used the AMT "K't'inga" class battlecruiser kits.
I would love to have seen those.
I know AMT does the 2500 scale 'Cadet Series", sets of 3 models per box.
One is "TOS Collection"; a Fed CA, Klingon BC & Rom. BoP.
Also the "Movie collection"; the Ent 1701A, K'tanga and Relient.
And the "DS9 Collection"; Relient, a Cardasian Galor CA & the Defiant.
There were/are 2 other series' one is "Ships of the Line", IIRC also by AMT, & one by "Polar Lights". These are available indiviually.

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 6:51 a.m. PST

Some of the Bandai toy/candy ships look to fit with the 'Cadet'.

I've seen folks using stands with square bases for the big ships for picnics.

I've bought a number of garden sprinkler stakes to use with larger ships, though that's a project on a non-functioning burner for quite awhile.

I figure the soon-retirement will either kill me, or get a bunch of these back on track.


Micman Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 9:44 p.m. PST

One of these days I will be playing some kind of Star Trek game using 1/1000 scale. I have room in the back yard to do it with a one on one game. Well that is the reason I keep telling myself when I buy another kit……

Part time gamer06 Jun 2017 1:41 a.m. PST

IMHO Zocchi's original plastic's (if only he had done Klingon as well) are the best.
But if 1/2 their current size it would be great.(IIRC ADB ships; around 1/3788)
Ive seen some on Shapeways listed as 1/7000, but most seem to be done in WSF (white soft, flexible) material. And they mention having 'a grainy feel' to them.
So Im not real comfortable how well they would paint or look when finished.

Has anyone bought any of these thru Shapeways?
If so what did you think of the over all look, before/after painting?

One of these days I will be playing.. Star Trek game using 1/1000 scale. the back yard.. ..that is the reason I keep telling myself when I buy another kit.
1/1000? Now that would be something to see.
Im curious, "What ARE the dimensions of the ships you have?" And who produces them?
Best of luck w/ that project.

Norrins06 Jun 2017 12:53 p.m. PST

Have a look at the models produced by Eaglemoss.

trynda170114 Jun 2017 6:24 a.m. PST

Believe it or not, I just received in the post a copy of the July/August 1990 issue of Practical Wargamer magazine I spotted on eBay! :)

John Leahy15 Jun 2017 11:26 a.m. PST

I have that issue somewhere. When it was mentioned I knew the article in question. I have read it a load of times!


Part time gamer23 Jun 2017 11:49 p.m. PST

Couldn't resist reading back over this and (very curious about the size of the models used) so did some 'basic' math.
Using 'data' from FASA', Fed. 'Ship Recognition Manuals'.

A Constitution class CA is listed as 295 meters / 11,614 in.
If correct a 1/2500 scale model would be roughly 4.61 In. long., a 1/1000 scale ship would be 11.6 In.

My Zocchi Connie measures 'exactly' 3in. Using the same basic formula (M x 12/scale = X) 1/3788 seems to be as close as you could get (3.06in) actually.

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