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Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 4:46 a.m. PST

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I think this looks pretty cool. I would imagine that if you don't like the aesthetic of other GW products you won't like this either, but if you do you probably will.

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I'm not sure how I feel about the Space Marines getting a hover tank though. It seems like that kind of advanced tech is better off in the hands of the Custodes, as far as the imperium goes. They do have land speeders so I guess it isn't that much different.

Pretty heavily armed for an APC. I wonder if we are getting a Land Raider equivalent later or if this is the land raider equivalent for Primaris marines.

The Chapter Approved thing at the bottom has much more of an impact on the game long-term though.

It seems like instead of having a "living" rulebook on line where things can be updated as changes warrant they will be publishing this annually to go over new product, scenarios and changes in rules.

The one thing that is nice about a living rule book is that you can see changes in real time and, if online, it could be free.

The downside is that you have to keep up with it and if they change stuff all the time you might find that you have misthought how you want to play.

With this the changes all come at one time and are in one place and you know it is coming and won't be surprised by it.

Plus if you aren't interested in buying codexes and just want the rules all the new stuff that came out that year could be published in this and then you have it all in one place.

infinite array02 Jun 2017 5:38 a.m. PST

Maybe it's supposed to be a Primaris version of a Rhino/Predator mix?

I mean, if the model shows how many guns can be taken on it – 7 missile pods, 3 lascannons (or two, one of which is twin-linked), a heavy stubber (?) and an assault cannon – it seems excessive for just an APC.

Then again, the linked page says it's just one of the new Primaris-sized vehicles. Maybe we'll get something smaller as a Rhino-equivalent, or something bigger.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 6:22 a.m. PST

It's already bigger than a Baneblade.

And I'm against hover-tanks for the Imperium. It's just not their aesthetic.

So, how much, then?

Earl of the North02 Jun 2017 6:29 a.m. PST

Not a fan of the turret, but looking at the video the hull would make a good dropship/assault lander for smaller scales.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 6:36 a.m. PST

So, how much, then?

Knowing GW…

Too Much

Earl of the North02 Jun 2017 6:43 a.m. PST

£50.00 GBP plus?

The Land Raiders is £45.00 GBP at the moment and this seems to started out as a Land Raider.

Centurio Prime02 Jun 2017 7:27 a.m. PST

I'm not crazy about the overall concept. But its not entirely unprecedented. Its like a giant landspeeder, basically.

Eclipsing Binaries02 Jun 2017 8:24 a.m. PST

I suppose this can only be used with the new primaris marines as the older guys won't be able to reach the peddles.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 9:26 a.m. PST

Forge world is making resin extenders for the regular guys.

28mm Fanatik02 Jun 2017 9:41 a.m. PST

Not surprising that PSM's would get their own line of vehicles since existing tanks and transports are sized for their smaller brethren.

I have no problem with space marine grav tanks. They used to have jetbikes (so did the IG) in 40K and still have it in 30K so why not?

The aesthetic is fine. It's what the Mechanicus or a resourceful techmarine could come up with when given the task of converting a Landraider to a grav tank.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 12:03 p.m. PST

They used to have jetbikes (so did the IG) in 40K

You must be mistaken since GW kill those off over 22 years ago as well.

You know there isn't a lot that GW has killed off but give them time and they will.

Battle Phlox02 Jun 2017 12:58 p.m. PST

I'm sorry but to me it just looks like they gave a twelve year old a Land Raider model and asked him to make something kewl. It just looks overdone.

Personal logo HUBCommish Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 1:28 p.m. PST

Looks like a perfectly serviceable sci-fi grav tank, with the exception of those ridiculous hull-mounted Lascannon. Those tiny missile racks could be close-in defense flechette rocket packs or somesuch. Guess the Admech opened their vault of suspensors and fancy grav technology for ol' Gorillaman!

Albino Squirrel02 Jun 2017 1:34 p.m. PST

Not a fan of the sticking random missile launchers all over the place. Also looks a little ridiculous that it could hold the ammo/power generators for all those weapons and still have transport capacity. I guess they saved some space by ingeniously strapping their ammunition to the outside of the tank.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 1:42 p.m. PST

I'm surprised more of the old school RT era GW people aren't back praising this up and down pleased that GW finally came out with a modern kit for building this:

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Prince Rupert of the Rhine02 Jun 2017 1:49 p.m. PST

That's not doing anything for me random arse guns/missile pods all over the place plus grav technology just isn't imperial to me that's for the advanced alien races now.

I have to say the whole new uber marine stuff just isn't working for me at all.

Personal logo HUBCommish Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 1:50 p.m. PST

Albino Squirrel, if each marine can have a tiny fusion reactor in his backpack that produces enough power to keep that armor going for however long, I think the Imperium can power a couple weapons on a huge tank no problem.

Prince Rupert, frankly I'm surprised that the Imperium's elite fighting force didn't have grav tanks this entire time. Probably had something to do with arbitrary design studio rules, like those horrible tracks on the Taurox because the former head of the design studio said "No wheels on IG vehicles!"

As I said above, I'm willing to bet those missiles are some sort of active defense system. Like the Merkava's Trophy system, or the defense belts on Hammer's Slammers tanks.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 1:54 p.m. PST

Do you guys like it better like this:

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Personal logo HUBCommish Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 1:55 p.m. PST

Looks fine to me Pictors. Except those Lascannon have got to go.

28mm Fanatik02 Jun 2017 2:31 p.m. PST

The lascannon can stay because it's been done before with a different weapon.

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Covert Walrus02 Jun 2017 3:10 p.m. PST

My first thought – link

RACDVM Inactive Member02 Jun 2017 5:15 p.m. PST

I also think that it is a perfectly serviceable grav-tank, and entirely keeping with the fluff. Agreed that as pictured, it has a few too many guns on it. But then there's no reason why you have to take all of them.

Personal logo HUBCommish Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2017 5:27 p.m. PST

I guess at least it doesn't have weapons in side sponsons.

GT3000 Inactive Member03 Jun 2017 1:38 a.m. PST

Looks like a Bradley IFV. I dub thee "Gravley."

The H Man03 Jun 2017 1:44 a.m. PST

Few points.

First Pics gave a near disclaimer that some people won't like it in the first post. But don't let that stop us.

RT hover tank is only cool for two reasons. 1 deodorant bottles are cool and 2 I was under the belief that RT was a lot looser and not so refined as modern 40k (ie. probably better…ahem), so a few oddities is ok.

That guard track truck thing was bad.

I think GW is simply trying to sell tanks to people who have tanks.

I agree it should be alien tech. Oddly the land speeder is cool. That is fast, where as the tank would be slow and heavy, different technologies.

nvdoyle03 Jun 2017 11:10 a.m. PST

Absolutely love it. Stoked about Chapter Approved, too. The Primaris armor is new manufacture, and it makes sense for the new armor and vehicles to be slightly higher tech. And really, it's not that much more than a land speeder, just on a bigger scale. If people are concerned about the Imperium scaling things up, well…

28mm Fanatik03 Jun 2017 12:50 p.m. PST

@ Covert Walrus

STC's have been known to be rediscovered from time to time.

As for "too many weapons," it's about the same number as a standard LR including secondary and optional weapons. LR's have two twin-linked Lascannons on sponsons and a hull twin-linked heavy bolter. Remember twin-linked weapons actually will get to fire twice (not once with a reroll for misses) in 8th. This tank is basically a flying LR.

The H Man03 Jun 2017 1:08 p.m. PST

"its not that much more than a land speeder"????!!!! Then where are our flying aircraft carriers, darn it!

Or jet packs for getting to work on time for that matter!

Hover tanks would require very different technology to a light and fast land speeder. Anyone familiar with how real tanks came about will be aware of the design challenges they create. Let alone a hovering tank.

And really, yes it is much more than a land speeder. I'm not calling anyone fat , but are some people to busy playing pool with the planets to notice? On paper all you require is a bigger cue, but the practicalities in reality are, of course, a challenge.

(science stuff)


PS: I do realize GW don't base their stuff purely on science. Just on luck….ooh, too soon?

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Jun 2017 1:45 p.m. PST

So why don't you go ahead and explain how anti-grav technology works so we can see where GW got it wrong.

nvdoyle03 Jun 2017 3:48 p.m. PST

There are big boxy shuttles the deliver Titans – TITANS – from surface to orbit. A grav Land Raider isn't an issue.

Lion in the Stars04 Jun 2017 1:13 a.m. PST

My problem is that it looks like someone bolted a Predator turret to the top of a Land Raider.

All the missiles studded all over the thing aren't too far gone if you assume that they're an Active Defense System like Quick Kill or Trophy. But if they're an offensive weapon, well, that just doesn't fly very well.

The H Man04 Jun 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

My PS covers that Pics, all jokes aside.

I suspect the shuttles have big clunky 40k engines, or are more like one use drop pods. I see no evidence of either here.

Its simply GW getting people with tanks to buy tanks. They need to make their, and their shareholders, money. Its a pity they have to do it this way, by reinventing the wheel or what have you. Better to make a new race not just milk the existing ones with spin off armies and units (although their fans love them, of course).

David Johansen04 Jun 2017 7:36 a.m. PST

Dropping Titans isn't the impressive part. Getting them back up into orbit is.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 7:43 a.m. PST

Well that part is easy since they just walk abroad the ship after the battle is won.

If they lost well there is no need to get them back into orbit.

dwartist04 Jun 2017 8:45 a.m. PST

Its okay…I don't think it helps that the 'grav generators' are a different colour to the hull – it makes it look as if a Land Raider has been hoisted on to them by a crane.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 9:45 a.m. PST

I agree; if they WERE going to use a contrasting color, steel is a bad idea. It makes it look like someone who has never seen a tank put the tracks on wrong.

If they'd have just painted it blue, maybe with some scuffing, it would have given an entirely different look.

Der Krieg Geist Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member04 Jun 2017 3:41 p.m. PST

I just have to say, I like it very much. I think it follows the SM ascetic very well, and I will enjoy scratch building a couple of them. :)

The H Man04 Jun 2017 5:22 p.m. PST

That is a good point. They look very easy to replicate. Not sure how they allowed that.

Reading above, there still seems to be no post trader precedent for these types of tanks (for marines), that I know off, outside of their recent appearances. I suspect they probably started as marine or marine/eldar in trader (were there even rules, no model apart from the scratch built one that I have seen?), then decided to just make them the latter.

In contradiction, or actually, more recently…

Like most things in these games, every race seems to have one:
Eldar grave tanks
Necron monoliths
Tau devil fish and such
Dark eldar thingys

I assume chaos can get them? As marines? Let me know.

Orcs and imperium are the odd ones out. Tyranids don't use machines…yet, cults maybe…

I have forgotten someone? Squats? If a marine can't reach the peddles…

Its getting common enough, so why not orcs an man, I guess? But it kind of spoils the cool uniqueness of a hover tank. Don't you think?

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa06 Jun 2017 11:42 a.m. PST

While doing the washing up I was pondering the profusion of small missile launcher-things on it. Fine for those of used to harder sci-fi where PD systems are common, but a bit of an oddity on WH40K stuff. It then occurred to me that they might be some sought of close in anti-personnel weapon (possibly a allowing for some sort of cheese-tastic close assault from disembarkation move…)

chromedog06 Jun 2017 7:55 p.m. PST

Like the frag launchers on the Land Raider crusaders?

Yeah, that was my take on it.

That said, I'm from a time when we used vehicles from other media on our 40k games (I had a few Crusher Joe Galleon tanks for my RT marines).

The SM stuff has never been particularly streamlined – more the brute-force approach to flight (put enough thrust behind something and it will fly). As subtle as a brick (to the face).

I don't hate it. I don't love it, either.

The H Man10 Jun 2017 7:29 p.m. PST

Sounds like you were describing orc technology there. Perhaps there is a point in that?

CorpCommander18 Jun 2017 2:32 p.m. PST

Not enough guns.

And what happened to the old GW? That thing should be festooned in skulls and Kil! badges! That's right, I spelled it correctly. Kil!

Der Krieg Geist Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member26 Jun 2017 12:51 p.m. PST

They think we did not notice that they stole the top of a Kryomech Nexus Goliath walker and plopped it on top of this flying dumpster, as a turret? :P LOL I cool flying dumpster mind you, but a flying dumpster all the same. And I agree with CorpCommander, needs more GUNZZZ (TM) :D

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