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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2017 4:52 a.m. PST

Hello everyone

Well I have a lot to look for, there are no 25/30 mm figures representing Fisher's hunters, it's amazing we only find stuff that vaguely resemble them …

That's not what I want!

The generic figures and figurines that vaguely resemble this does not work with me.

Please do not know a factory that proposes the chasseurs cheval and the chasseurs pied of this regiment in 25/30 mm figures?

Thank you for your help.

Duc de Brouilly27 May 2017 5:34 a.m. PST

I believe Jacdaw did some but they were never released. There may be a mould for them with Siege Works Studios who are currently producing the Jacdaw figures. They are slowly releasing various figures from the range and I'm hoping that one day we'll finally get some Chasseurs de Fisher!

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2017 5:55 a.m. PST

Me too but I keep looking …

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2017 6:18 a.m. PST

Front Rank?

Vintage Wargaming27 May 2017 6:28 a.m. PST

It doesn't help you at all but Lamming did a very nice one in their short lived SYW Range in the early 1970s and Minifigs did them in their S Range at about the same time

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Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP27 May 2017 6:31 a.m. PST

Front Rank has had them for quite awhile now.

And remember, the grenadiers are only used as one of the flank companies. The other soldiers wore tricorn hats, just like regular French infantry.

Duc de Brouilly27 May 2017 7:02 a.m. PST

There are the Front Rank ones of course but they're not to everyone's taste: a bit chunky for chasseurs I would opine.

Re the headgear, I've seen depictions of them in tricornes but the classic headdress seems to be mirletons for the WAS and a kind of hunting cap during the SYW.

brucka27 May 2017 12:33 p.m. PST

I painted some RSM (DPC) as mounted c-d-f; can't remember which code – one of the Hussars I think.
They are to accompany my Corsican Buttafuoco Regiment.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2017 1:54 a.m. PST

These are the WAS Fisher's Chasseurs on foot and on horses (not hunters LOL) who interest me, nothing to do with those of the SYW …

And it is true that the front ranks are big figures that can not mix with many other little figures of big manufactures …

But anyway the generic figures it's not for me …

Musketier Supporting Member of TMP29 May 2017 1:19 p.m. PST

Not dure what you mean by "generic figures"? To the best of my knowledge, in the 1740s Fischer's mounted Chasseurs were dressed as hussars, and his infantry wore less exotic coats than the Bretons volontaires or the Arquebusiers de Grassin… If you have new sources about their uniform, please share them!

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP29 May 2017 10:37 p.m. PST

What do I mean by "generic figures"?

For example the figurines that some want to pass for Chasseurs of Fisher, whereas they are not …

For example, Lamming and Minifigs had Chasseurs of Fisher in the past and designated them as such, which is normal.

And when Jacdaw will one day propose his own, this will be as Chasseurs of Fisher,no other thing …

Musketier Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 10:51 a.m. PST

We seem to be talking past each other, cher Monsieur. What uniform details, in your understanding, make the Chasseurs so unique they cannot be represented by existing figures?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2017 10:57 p.m. PST

Because We must be careful with the uniform of foot Chasseurs …

They are not mounted Chasseurs who would have dismounted …

They wore, if I remember correctly, a dark green coat, collar,cuffs ,waistcoat & breeches with red lining, turned back & fixed with white hearts.

White stitched buttonhole & white piping down coat edge.

The buttons were silver.

Head dress was a green mirliton or cap & black cockade on left side & short black boot not long gaiters as references SYF42 SYF43 SYF44 and SYF45 of Front Rank …

Their musician had a hunting horn.

bluewillow03 Jun 2017 5:52 a.m. PST

I have some painted along with details here

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Cheers
Matt

Musketier Supporting Member of TMP03 Jun 2017 8:48 a.m. PST

Very nice brushwork, Bluewillow – thank you for sharing!

Is the mirliton generally accepted as their headdress? If memory serves, in the Vincennes archive there is mention of "un bonnet de toile verte" (a cap of green cloth), without reference to either mirliton or " la hussarde", or words to that effect. One could equally construe that to mean a sort of bonnet de police, or a jockey-style cap, seeing as Fischer's original lot were grooms, i.e. domestics for whom some sort of livery item might be seen as appropriate?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP03 Jun 2017 10:59 a.m. PST

Bluewillow, from when date the illustrations on:

Chasseurs of Fischer Part One

Uniform details

Chasseurs(not Chassuers)

1744 Dark green coats, vests holes, yellow buttons no lace, scarlet cuffs, collar, epaulette, dark green mirliton, white border, yellow fleur de lys, black belts and they are shoes how? So Bluewillow for the hunters on foot, it's boots like cavalry or gaiters? I speak for the WAS period, after that, it does not interest me …

Chasseurs of Fischer part two
Nothing new…

Is the mirliton generally accepted as their headdress?

Yes!

If there is a "green hat" in the Vincennes, a reference to a "green hat", without reference to either mirliton or " la hussarde", or words to that effect.

Yes but it was a mirliton!

One could equally construe that to mean a lot of police bonnet, or a jockey-style cap, seeing as Fischer's original lot were grooms, ie domestics for which some sort of livery.

No because it was a mirliton, the question is how the foot-chasseurs were shod, for the period that interests me, it was never written anywhere that it was with gaiters.

Otherwise this is what is found in the book 'The French Army of the War of the Austrian Succession 1740-1748' by David A. Wilson:

They wore, a dark green coat, collar, cuffs ,waistcoat & breeches with red lining, turned back & fixed with white hearts.

White stitched buttonhole & white piping down coat edge.

The buttons were silver.

Head dress was a green mirliton or cap & black cockade on left side & short black boots.

Their musician had a hunting horn.

In conclusion, we will have figurines valid for this regiment for the WAS, when crann tara miniatures or Jackdaw will take care of it …

Musketier Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 4:19 a.m. PST

I'm happy to go with the mirliton consensus, but what is the source for it?
So far, all illustrations I've seen are interpretations by later artists. Are there any contemporary depictions, or descriptions, from the 1740s and 50s that clearly show, or refer to, a hussar-style headdress?
The closest I've come is the Spanish manuscript illustrated in Osprey MAA308 and dated to 1759/60 which, although rendered in black and white, clearly shows a a forage cap of some sort, no higher than the Royal-Cantabres' headgear depicted next to it.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 10:16 a.m. PST

Yes it is true I also do not find, illustrations of Fisher Chasseurs dating from the WAS, people constantly refer to the SYW, where we find a lot of uniformology documentation …

This is where the problem for the foot chasseurs uniforms during the WAS

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2017 5:25 a.m. PST

Here is another description of their uniform:

Foot chasseurs dark green coat with dark green collar, cuffs and shoulder staps. Coat lace white, coat linings red and front stiched back with a white heart shaped piece of cloth.Breeches and veste dark green ; veste edged in white.Buttons silver.Black gaiters.Mounted chasseurs dresse as hussars dark green dolman laced red;dark green breeches; red pelisse with white fur and laced yellow.Buttons brass;yellow and red barrel sash.Sabretash and shabraque red with borders and crown/three fishes device in yellow. Both horse and foot wore a black mirliton with a black unedged flamme, white cockade and short white plume to left.

Later

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP29 Jun 2017 9:35 p.m. PST

I feel that this story will end with front rank figures and 'green stuff'!

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2017 11:09 p.m. PST

And no, now this story will end with Crann Tara figures and can be Green stuff …

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