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Xintao Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 3:23 a.m. PST

Pre-Order up June 3rd, Available June 17th.

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Box set will be Primaris Marines and Death Guard.

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Cheers, Xin

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 3:56 a.m. PST

Looks like comparable to what came in the AoS starter set.

Chaos gets three characters, a squad of elite troops, a monster and a squad of regular troops. The good guys get two squads of their line troops, a heavy hitter squad and three flyers the only difference being they have four characters instead of two, one being on a monstrous mount.

I'm really glad it is coming with Primaris Marines instead of regular ones. If it was coming with regular marines I was going to use those as either Imperial Fists or White Scars for a defense of Terra force for 30K. But I have a bunch of marines in current armour for that anyway.

With these I'll start a new force for 40K and use them as true scale marines and Primaris marines will be the only ones in the force.

Now it is just a question of which Chapter.

Also I guess I'm starting a Death Guard army, the only patron dedicated force I don't have currently.

For $125 USD to $150 USD this is a great deal.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 3:57 a.m. PST

The one thing, if these are a brand new concoction of Bobby G. and Cowl, how do they have an "ancient?"

Prince Rupert of the Rhine23 May 2017 4:04 a.m. PST

Anyone know what the UK price is I can't to seem to find it anywhere.

I'm liking the Nurgle stuff hopefully lots of that will appear on ebay. Don't want the new uber marines though they don't do anything for me.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 4:19 a.m. PST

Too bad you're in the UK. I'd probably trade you the Nurgle stuff for the Marines straight up.

Also that is a 280 pg rule book.

I'd imagine the price will be $150 USD or 100 quid.

YouTube link

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 4:21 a.m. PST

And a quick search proves me wrong:

https://imgur.com/E4b5W4O

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 4:22 a.m. PST
Coachgaming23 May 2017 6:46 a.m. PST

At work and cant connect to those links… what was the U.S. price?

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 7:01 a.m. PST

I see that the Nurg-Marines have mixed weaponry. I was wondering. I also wonder how I can fit these in with my "regular" Death Guard…

The hardback RB and *five* tide-you-over army list books is most impressive.

I'm there.

And, I'm assuming this is today's update? grin

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 7:04 a.m. PST

And, what are command dice? I assumed like Bolt Action / BtGoA, but they have different numbers on them…

Xintao Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 8:09 a.m. PST

From Spikey Bits:

8th Edition Starter Set: featuring 53 miniatures and includes the hardcover 8th Edition rulebook $160 USD

8th Edition Rulebook: 280 Pages $80 USD

8th Edition Index Books: Multiple Factions $25 USD ea

Personal logo nvdoyle Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 8:17 a.m. PST

@Pictors – not sure about the Ancient. I read somewhere that Robot Girlyman gave the chapters not only the tech to make new Primarines but to convert normal Marines…can anyone confirm that?

28mm Fanatik23 May 2017 8:21 a.m. PST

Don't buy the 280-pp hardcover rulebook a la carte for $80. USD For an additional $80 USD you get all the wonderful new miniatures plus so much more.

Even if don't plan to do new marine and Deathguard armies you can easily sell them off on Ebay or consignment for over $80. USD It's a "no brainer," folks.

PS – It's good to see Lt's back in space marine armies. They haven't appeared since the '90's.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 8:26 a.m. PST

Yep. I wonder what the full break-down value of this comes to?

I shudder to think how much they're going to want for even an a la cart 5-man Primaris squad!

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 8:29 a.m. PST

That seems odd that the rule book will be $80 USD when it is only 35 quid.

The last edition was $75 USD and 50 quid I believe.

The faction books are a great price at $25 USD each though. I think there are only going to be 5 of them which will give you all of the army lists. So for, if the price is right on the starter set, you can get ALL of the rules for every single model in the game, two small armies for $285 USD retail.

That isn't a bad price.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 8:30 a.m. PST

A la carte 5 man primaris squad will probably be $50 USD with the plasma gun guys being $65. USD

Then they will do a start collecting box eventually that will be five primaris, 5 plasma gun guys and a leader for $85. USD

Whatever, if you want to do an army of them the best thing will be to buy multiple starter sets.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 8:32 a.m. PST

That seems odd that the rule book will be $80 USD USD when it is only 35 quid.

The last edition was $75 USD USD and 50 quid I believe.

Odd is the nice way to put it.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 8:39 a.m. PST

A la carte 5 man primaris squad will probably be $50 USD USD with the plasma gun guys being $65. USD USD

Because, you know, plasma guns cost so much more to mold than bolt rifles. grin

Whatever, if you want to do an army of them the best thing will be to buy multiple starter sets.

My last (2nd Ed.-era) 40k force was the Death Guard, but I don't see myself wanting more than one stater. The pox-walkers and the drones, yes, but the "new" plague marines are not vanilla enough for me, and I don't know that conversion would be much of a fix. I just have to find a way to justify my old, relatively puny plague marines. I hope the new lists consider these guys to be the "blessed" elites.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 9:19 a.m. PST

Just count them as possessed. Problem solved.

Warmaster Horus Inactive Member23 May 2017 9:40 a.m. PST

I love how GW has a complete disregard for currency values when determining how much US players pay. And the oh so clever 'well THIS guy is WAAAAY better to play with so we'll charge double for him, even though he actually costs less to manufacture. I really do love most everything about 40/30k with the exception of the bafoons that run the company. Sigh

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 9:56 a.m. PST

"Because, you know, plasma guns cost so much more to mold than bolt rifles. "

They may not but those guys, a la carte, will probably also come with other options like melta guns and flamers at least, so there will probably be an additional sprue in the box over the regular marines.

The Paladins that came in the starter box for AoS were single builds and could only be made into Retributors while the boxed set of paladins could be made into all three types.

So an increase in price over the basic marines might not be unreasonable given the increase in options available to them.

28mm Fanatik23 May 2017 10:15 a.m. PST

I'm reserving 2 Dark Imperium starter boxes from my FLGS. They give a flat 20% discount on all Citadel products so it's not a bad deal at all.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 10:22 a.m. PST

So an increase in price over the basic marines might not be unreasonable given the increase in options available to them.

That may be so, and in such instances it is a valid reason for such a price difference. But you and I both know that does not always apply. Sometimes, it's just the old "you need less of these and/or these guys are worth more points" business.

Centurio Prime23 May 2017 10:58 a.m. PST

Its based on how many they expect to sell, and what they think people will pay. that's why individual character models don't cost $5. USD

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 11:17 a.m. PST

Yeah, having manufactured figures the cost/pay off ratio for specialist packs is just not worth it. For GW the scale is, of course much different but still.

When I made my Character pack for the Kosciouszko uprising range I have they cost me something like $470 USD for the sculpting. While the sculpting on the three different packs of infantry I have cost a total of $420. USD

Each gamer is only likely to buy one pack of the characters while they will probably buy 10+ packs of at least one of the types of infantry, often 10+ each of two.

So one gamer pays for about 1% of the cost of the Character pack (not including mold costs or the actual cost of the pack itself) vs. paying for more than 10% of the cost of three different packs or almost 33% of any one of those packs.

Garand23 May 2017 11:36 a.m. PST

I love how GW has a complete disregard for currency values when determining how much US players pay

Unless the US prices quoted are wrong…

Damon.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 11:41 a.m. PST

That seems odd that the rule book will be $80 USD USD

This is GW and they are known for their prices.

But other than the Rulebook there is nothing in that box that I need or even care about.

I detest Chaos and I want nothing to do with those new Marines.

Plus as usual they are look like Ultramarines and I hate them as well.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 12:01 p.m. PST

Unless the US prices quoted are wrong…

What, just now? they've been way off the CR for years.

Plus as usual they are look like Ultramarines and I hate them as well.

They don't paint them for you. Do you see anything that distinguishes them sculpt-wise?

Personal logo nvdoyle Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 12:11 p.m. PST

They've already said that the basic rules will be a free PDF – has there been any announcement of the Indexes having a free version?

basileus6623 May 2017 12:22 p.m. PST

In Europe it is 125 euros, although most shops will sell with a 15-20% discount. At least in Spain!

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 12:28 p.m. PST

Which would make it $140. USD

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 12:52 p.m. PST

US prices:

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Personal logo Dentatus Supporting Member of TMP Fezian23 May 2017 1:26 p.m. PST

I'm still not sold on 40K rules, no matter how they're tweaked. I'm really just after the miniatures.

Personal logo HUBCommish Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 2:05 p.m. PST

As posted on Facebook by a local game store:

- Dark Imperium $160 USD

- Core rule book $60 USD

- 5 Codices $25 USD each

New accessories

- Tactical Objectives $12.50 USD
- Command Dice $20.00 USD
- Wound Trackers $12.50 USD
- Combat Gauge $10.00 USD
- Sector Imperialis Objectives $35.00 USD

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 4:07 p.m. PST

So given this you would need to spend over $300 USD just to get the stuff need to play the game.

Though you could for go getting the box and just payout around $200 USD+.

But they will be putting out more books and things that if you want to stay up to date and be competitive you will need to put down $400 USD – $500 USD or more.

Warmaster Horus Inactive Member23 May 2017 4:29 p.m. PST

95 translates to $123 USD where does GW get off?!?

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 7:01 p.m. PST

"So given this you would need to spend over $300 USD USD just to get the stuff need to play the game."

No, if you are starting from scratch you probably need to spend $160 USD to play the game. If you have a friend probably less than that.

"95 translates to $123 USD USD where does GW get off?!?"

Are you serious about that? You can't set retail price based solely on exchange rate. For one thing the exchange rate changes. For another there are probably import taxes, shipping costs and so on.

I don't know how GW's deal works but I can't base the prices for Crusader stuff I import solely on the current exchange rate.

28mm Fanatik23 May 2017 7:38 p.m. PST

Mithmee's got a point. I collect codexes even if I don't play them all so that I can study my enemies and know what I'm up against. So at minimum I need:

$160.00 USD (Dark Imperium Boxset)
$125.00 USD (5x Codexes @ $25.00 USD apiece and these are only stop-gap)
That's $285.00 USD total so far.

If I want extra stuff like

Tactical Objectives $12.50 USD
Command Dice $20.00 USD
Wound Trackers $12.50 USD
Combat Gauge $10.00 USD
Sector Imperialis Objectives $35.00 USD

That's another $90.00 USD

So I'm looking at up to $375.00 USD easy. I guess it's a good thing I can afford it.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 7:50 p.m. PST

You don't "need" that stuff to play the game. You might want it, I will be buying all of that. I'll get the Sector Imperialis Objectives too because they are neat but I won't be buying the rest of the stuff.

If you and a friend went together on the starter set you could get a decent army with four troop choices and as much HQ as you could shake a stick at, plus either two monsters or four support units for $160 USD each and both of you get a 280 pg rule book to go along with it.

If you each want your own Index it will be $185 USD each.

Not a bad price to get into a new hobby.

Mitochondria Inactive Member23 May 2017 8:17 p.m. PST

I see that Codexes……sorry, sorry, Indexes are going to be up for sale.


So much for the free rules and army lists.

ImhotepMagi23 May 2017 8:19 p.m. PST

Not to mention that you could go the rulebook+index+start collecting box route for $170 USD. Dice and tape measures are cheap to come by as well.

Or of you already have an army, that's $85 USD, assuming you only need one index. That's a lot better than $85 USD for rulebook and $50 USD for a codex.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 9:54 p.m. PST

Pictor's,

I didn't even put in the additional units plus the other Codexes that GW will be putting out.

So the real cost to field decent size army will be around $800 USD or more.

Oh and for someone like me who has several armies means that I need to buy quite few Codexes.

Space Marine
Dark Angels
Eldar
Harlequins
Imperial Guard
Orks

So that alone is around $170 USD – $200 USD and would they be worth it if half these books is nothing but pages of their miniatures.

Quite frankly…

No they are not.

8th Edition is looking more like a GW money grab.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2017 10:10 p.m. PST

Pictor's,

Neither of those forces are a decent army.

Plus that 280 page rulebook is going to be around 25% – 35% petty pictures plus another 10% – 15% being rehash fluff.

You really have not been paying attention to your other thread about GW bringing you back to them.

Well the lion share of the posts in that thread are negative.

Prices
Killing off WFB
Current miniature design
Plus other items

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 10:11 p.m. PST

What it is looking like is that you haven't been doing the remedial math lessons I suggested.

Space Marines and Dark Angels will be in the same index – $25. USD

Eldar and Harlequins same index – $25 USD

Orks – $25 USD

Imperial Guard -$25.

So $100. USD If you got them from an online retailer it would be something like $85. USD

If you tossed in the Chaos one, you'd have all of them for $125. USD

I'm not sure how you did the math so poorly as to get to an upper range of $200 USD but it isn't surprising.

I just put together a decent sized Genestealer cult army. It cost about $165 USD retail. With the Index it will be $190. USD I'll probably use it like that for a while, but eventually I know I'll want another box of Acolytes and I'll probably need some Genestealers.

I have the Genestealers already, but lets say I didn't. That would be another $70 USD for the two sets, so $260 USD total. If I bought it all at retail price, which I wouldn't be able to do if I bought it at any of the stores I usually shop at. They all give at least 10% discounts.

Even at retail it is a far cry from your ridiculous $800 USD total.

I'm going to put together a Primaris Space Marine army when the new stuff comes out.

I'll keep track of how much it costs with updates on TMP.

I'll bet you that the army cost is closer to $200 USD than $800. USD How much do you want to wager on that?

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 10:27 p.m. PST

"You really have not been paying attention to your other thread about GW bringing you back to them."

There were 23 responses that said that GW's new direction has brought them back to GW or brought them to GW for the first time.

There were 28 responses that said no.

There were 10 responses that I classified as neither because they never left GW or something like that.

So on a website that typically hates on GW like crazy, 23 people said that after leaving or having no interest in GW before they are now coming back to GW for rules or figures.

That is actually pretty impressive.

People keep harping on the prices. The prices are right in line with what other high quality sci-fi and fantasy miniatures cost. They are actually on the less expensive half of that spectrum. No longer are GW the most expensive company out there, not by a long shot.

"Neither of those forces are a decent army."

Based on what? Your extensive understanding of the new rules that haven't been published yet? The fact that you admittedly haven't even looked in a White Dwarf in more than a decade? The fact that you seem to not even be able to run the armies you like effectively?

I'm not sure that your opinion on what is and is not a decent army in 40K really counts for anything at all.

PMC31724 May 2017 2:06 a.m. PST

Pictors – the label 'Ancient' is a rank, not a reference to the Marine's age. It's given to banner bearers.

Eclipsing Binaries24 May 2017 2:42 a.m. PST

I think the new set looks great, and as for being forced to buy more stuff to play the game… well, nobody has ever had to force us to buy more miniatures and books. If you don't have a seriously large lead mountain (or plastic nowadays) then there's something wrong with you. I for one will buy what I can afford, and sneak passed the wife. Anything I need that I can't afford I'll get eventually from ebay or if its rules, through an online search.

As I've said before, nobody forces us to part with the cash. It's our choice. And you can't be critical of a business trying to make money. What do you want? The new set, rules and figures included, to be free?

Personal logo nvdoyle Supporting Member of TMP24 May 2017 3:34 a.m. PST

@PMC317 – thanks for the clarification!

Poniatowski Supporting Member of TMP24 May 2017 4:40 a.m. PST

So, just to throw this out there.. and I think many folks will hate me for saying this…..

*EDIT*
OK, I just noticed what Pictor's posted the current exchange rate on the far right of the price chart….

I have been doing a LOT of buying direct from the UK for a lot of recent miniature buys…. even with shipping, I can afford the extra week of waiting, but even with taxes, etc… I was saving, on average anywhere from $30 USD to $80 USD on buying direct from the UK because of the strength of the dollar right now vs the pound. 1P = 1.30USD it is rebounding…. but when looking at GW products….

95P is roughly 123usd.. NOT 160… you guys can do the math.. if you can wait for the delivery… and have a source, you can put that extra cash into new models or your pocket by buying direct.

Judge Doug Inactive Member24 May 2017 6:42 a.m. PST

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