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Lilian20 May 2017 11:45 a.m. PST

if you can identify the British, German, Dutch, Spanish Regiments who had lost their flags, unfortunately only the battle is precised…

taken in Fleurus 1690
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from many battles 1674 to 1714
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I would be very curious to know which british regiments in FLEURUS 1690 had the mottos
«PLUS TOST PERIR QUE ROMPRE» (plutôt périr que rompre – more die than break) and an other
«PLUS TOT ROMPRE QUE PLOIER» (plutôt rompre que ployer – more break than bend)
what about the pink with a lion in a shield «HOC DUCE» and hebraic (?) motto


Or this cavalry guidon

or this exotic elephant of the Indies taken in Italy against Hessian Army in Castiglione 1706

clibinarium20 May 2017 12:59 p.m. PST

Were any British units present at Fleurus? These colours look much more Dutch.

Kadrinazi20 May 2017 1:00 p.m. PST

What a interesting finding, thanks for sharing!

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP20 May 2017 1:29 p.m. PST

Yes, I think I'd put money (a small amount) on the first three being Dutch, not sure of the 4th – may be a foreign regt in Dutch pay. First two I'd have guessed cavalry. Later Hessian flags have the elephant too.

Scharnachthal20 May 2017 1:50 p.m. PST

First two flags sport King William III's coat of arms…Third and fourth are quite certainly Dutch (Hollandse Leeuw and Oranje Appelboom), the latter perhaps a Swiss regiment? (wavy flames…). Not necessarily, though.

List of English troops sent to the Netherlands under Marlborough's command in 1689 (p.79, note):

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JimDuncanUK22 May 2017 9:22 a.m. PST

The 'English' troops mentioned above would appear to be 'Scots'.

Lilian22 May 2017 3:09 p.m. PST

Actually it seems that part or most of these flags, at least for the Dutch Army in Fleurus, are covered in Pike & Society book(s) and/or CD

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Flags and Uniforms of the Dutch Army 1685 – 1715 VOL I by Robert Hall, Iain Stanford and Yves Roumegoux
Cloth £ 75.00 (Public) £ 57.50 (Members)
Paper £ 50.00 (Public) £ 32.50 (Members)
The book consists of 246 pages of text and 51 pages of colour plates, covering the Republic's cavalry, dragoons, artillery and subsidy troops.

Flags and Uniforms of the Dutch Army 1685 – 1715 VOL II by Robert Hall, Iain Stanford and Yves Roumegoux
Cloth £ 75.00 (Public) £ 57.50 (Members)
Paper £ 50.00 (Public) £ 32.50 (Members)
The book consists of 223 pages of text and 42 pages of colour plates, detailing the infantry and the forces of the Archbishopric of Liege.

Glorfindel77726 May 2017 3:02 a.m. PST

The first two look to be Dutch Infantry Regiment "van Heukelom".

The third flag is Dutch Infantry Regiment "van Salisch".

The fourth flag appears to be "van Beaumont"

The Cavalry Guidon is taken from Dutch Regiment "Graf van Waldeck".

Source is the Pike & Shot book indicated above.

Cheers,


Phil

Lilian28 May 2017 11:04 a.m. PST

thank you a lot, definitely a good book

Stephen RA Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2017 8:26 a.m. PST

The two flags on the top row are company colours for infantry regiment van Heukaaloom, first raised 1688 under the auspices of Prince William of Orange (aka King William III of Great Britain) for the States General of the Dutch United Provinces. Dutch flags of the WSS (& earlier and later for that matter) usually showed the heraldic arms of the 'sponsoring authority' in the top corner nearest the pole. The second flag has been reversed in error Louis XIV's Trophy Book. The third flag is a company colour of van (or von) Salisch's German Infantry, raised by him in January 1690 for the Province of Holland – hence their arms in the corner. The fourth flag seems to me to be a company colour of the "Gardes Zwitzers" or Swiss Guards. In my opinion, Beaumont is likely to be the name of the company's captain.

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